Thread 15. Big Dog has been rehomed but we still need a poop scooper.

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New thread.
Link to old:
www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/4624784-big-dog-going-going-not-quite-gone-thread-14?page=10&reply=120289662

Hopefully I've done this so it works.

Kwasi Kwarteng refuses to rule out a new "era of austerity", telling Today: “You’ll see what our spending plans are in the medium-term fiscal plan and I’m not going to be drawn into that.”

But...but... who would actually think he won't change his mind after 10 days if the backbenchers don't like it? You can't govern like that!

And saying "new era of austerity" as if that's a good thing! New era of austerity for the little people of course.

They can't even agree on whose idea the 45% cut was, Truss, Kwarteng and Philps are blaming eachother and none of them remembers being warned about the dire effects it would have.

Well there you go

Kwarteng confirms further cuts of up to £18bn for public services

twitter.com/Independent/status/1576841620942737408?t=6UoUv3JEVC6ne9e9Qe7rFQ&s=19

Well there goes public services.

(I bet £18 bn isn't the half of it)

Austerity worked so well the first time round, didn't it?

It’s not governing, it’s a banana republic.

The Daily Mail is flip flopping all over the shop.

twitter.com/davidyelland/status/1576818470821367808

Listening to KK on Nick Ferrari - in complete denial his fiscal statement had anything to do with the pound crashing.

dickhead. Clearly hoping global events would camouflage his (and I can’t quite decide) ineptness or robbery.

Austerity Mark 2 , the return
It's so depressing :(

I used to think they were inept. Now I feel they are actively robbing us.

Why doesn't KK realize that any announcements like this always affect the markets ? God, even I know this and I'm a nobody who only follows the news etc
Astonishing lies

I don't hold with the idea they're stupid either, it just seems so unlikely that they I'd get this far if they were. For sure they're deluded.
I get the impression they're either fascists or not far from it. KK's benefit loans instead of grants for unemployed people is very telling.

And blaming the change to the 45p tax rate on Mr Philps, who was sent out to defend their policy before any of the other two doesn't even have the moral weight of 'a big boy made me do it'. They might as well be saying, 'A little boy made me do it'.

Just glanced at the beginning of a Telegraph opinion piece. It's all Gordon Brown's fault apparently.

Of course they are not stupid. Not at all.
In Ms Truss's case she is just deluded and thought she could do what she liked. Not doing the ground work first is an enormous error.
It's different if she worked in a normal place and it could be rectified, but this is people's livelihoods and the country's finances and the economy they are playing fast and loose with here ! It's not a game.
It'll be interesting to see if the public will forgive and forget .. after all, Labour made a few mess ups too with gold reserves. I'm sure all governments lose loads of money we don't get to hear about , but it's just come at time when the cost of living is rising and we are recovering from the pandemic/ war too plus people are more clued up too as well. The energy crisis is making huge holes in all our finances too.
I'm Not condoning their actions at all , it's really terrible what they did , but this is how it'll be spun to people and if the pound rallies and things settle down things might not be as bleak
Did Gordon Brown start the war then? Or the energy crisis ? Or want tax breaks ?

It's behind a pay wall the piece about Gordon brown. I imagine they don't mention the twelve years they have been in power do they ?

So, correct me if I'm wrong, the official position is now that the 45% tax rate cute was essential to turn around the state of the country and the right decision to make, however they are now abandoning it as the backlash is a distraction? How is that any better? The u turn is them admitting that they don't have the strength of character to see through a plan they believe to be essential.

It wasn't essential though
The OBI and the IMF agreed that it wasn't a priority to have these tax cuts right now.
People just wanted the energy bills sorted out
Which they tackled ( wrongly , but that's just my opinion) and Money will be borrowers for this
The cats out the bag now anyway ; they still want austerity Mark 2 and cuts to budgets and rip up the rule books etc. I think they will still do this ;(

I know it wasn't essential. What I'm saying is that they believe it was essential and they still believe that. What does that tell us about their strength of character? If I believed I was right and that a decision I took was essential to the wellbeing of those reliant on me, I'd stick by that decision no matter how much hell it unleashed on me.

@Fladdermus that's my thinking. Also, how can we trust them to follow anything through? They have handled the whole debacle dreadfully and shown they are incompetent. They should go.

Widespread dismay at the fact that 3 years of work has effectively been put on hold. No one asked for this.
C4 sale, online safety, BBC licence feee review - all signed off by cabinet all ready to go, all stopped. If Liz wants a whole new mandate, she must take to the country.

twitter.com/nadinedorries/status/1576894518703423489?s=46&t=P1RwOSvAnFQCyB-71E_O-g

Truss' biggest backer Dorries is back on twitter then..

And this

Yet another curiosity of the 45pm U-turn – it was done after Liz Truss did a round of ITV regional interviews, but before the embargo on the interviews, meaning we now get to watch a series of TV clips of the PM defending a policy she has abandoned.
twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1576888448450969600?t=XP9LSYxwIShuUO_Cxbp-Pg&s=19

This is madness.

Been told business leaders paid £3k for a ticket to today’s event with Liz Truss and Kwasi Kwarteng, which they have both pulled out of

Unsurprisingly, they’re not happy

£3k to listen to those two... No wonder they needed a tax reduction.