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Harry - regretful?

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Brasschamberstick · 20/09/2022 10:40

Do we think after seeing the magnificence of yesterday that he is regretting giving it all up?

He looks so angry and unhappy all the time now?

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DocD · 22/09/2022 13:28

@justasking111 my Dp interviewed someone senior at GCT a month ago for a documentary who denied that pheasants would be spreading avian flu after the RSPB stated they were worried about it. The representative said on camera that there were no known cases.
Forward a month and they are spreading it.

derxa · 22/09/2022 13:30

DocD · 22/09/2022 13:07

@derxa you are clearly not very well informed! Fox hunting is illegal. Trail hunting is legal but 95% of hunts carry on hunting foxes illegally instead. Hunts a) feed foxes b) encourage foxes with false setts c)separate fox families when Cubs are young so that there are more spread out over their hunting area d) bag up foxes and move them to different areas to be hunted if there aren’t enough (neighbouring hunts argue over whose foxes are whose as there aren’t enough to go around as they have all migrated to urban areas and are barely a
threat to farmers any more e) mutiliate foxes so that they are easier to chase f) throw young fox Cubs into hound kennels to give them a taste of flesh
So, do you think King Charles should hunt?
Turning to shooting. pheasants spread avian flu, eat ground level bugs so that there is less for natural bird population. gamekeepers shoot beautiful predatory bits to stop them eating the young released birds. Do you think King Charles should pheasant shoot at Sandringham?

Oh give it a rest. I don't approve of any fox hunting methods. Charles doesn't do any kind of hunting. I don't know anything about pheasants and game bird shooting. I probably know more about country life than you do though.

justasking111 · 22/09/2022 13:37

DocD · 22/09/2022 13:28

@justasking111 my Dp interviewed someone senior at GCT a month ago for a documentary who denied that pheasants would be spreading avian flu after the RSPB stated they were worried about it. The representative said on camera that there were no known cases.
Forward a month and they are spreading it.

Our shoots have thrown in the towel aristo and rough shoots this year. When you walk along beaches and in the country there are dead birds aplenty.

Add in our rabbits with heamorraghic fever which is fatal who are dying like flies

Calandor · 22/09/2022 15:02

Not at all. I think he loves his private - still millionaire - life with his stunning wife and two kids who have privacy to grow up

Lampzade · 22/09/2022 15:21

Calandor · 22/09/2022 15:02

Not at all. I think he loves his private - still millionaire - life with his stunning wife and two kids who have privacy to grow up

Exactly

DocD · 22/09/2022 15:25

@derxa what you mean is he doesn’t get photographed hunting. He hunted until fairly recently until it became physically too much.
but back to the question - doesn’t his support of fox hunting (which he was very outspoken about www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/prince-charles-claimed-fox-hunting-11307532.amp ) mean that he is a hypocrite? Or is only the American Duchess a hypocrite in your eyes?

Dinoteeth · 22/09/2022 15:40

Calandor · 22/09/2022 15:02

Not at all. I think he loves his private - still millionaire - life with his stunning wife and two kids who have privacy to grow up

I think he doesn't miss the mundane opening stuff, but misses some of the Royal stuff.

His kids would have had plenty privacy to grow up in the UK. Agreements not to hound Royal kids are in place. Other than the jubilee and funerals how often have you seen Edwards kids?

BasiliskStare · 22/09/2022 17:02

@Dinoteeth I think that is fair , EoW and PoW have been able to keep their children ( thus far ) out of the limelight apart from limited outings - NY times article and Meghan went to give a bag of stuff to a street sleeper on her way back from her child's nursery with a journalist in the car. Her point about 40 photographers seeing her children being dropped off at school in the UK - well - just astounding .

Dinoteeth · 22/09/2022 19:27

Thats a good point about Williams kids there seems to be less footage of them than their was of William and Harry growing up.

We get the annual back to school photos the birthday photos and the very occasional Royal engagement.

Harry could have had privacy if he'd wanted it.

WinnieTheW0rm · 22/09/2022 19:39

Her point about 40 photographers seeing her children being dropped off at school in the UK - well - just astounding

Yes I was rather taken aback by that. It's so blatantly untrue - there are agreements with the press that mean this simply wouldn't happen (other than annual back to school arranged photocall).

notanotheroneagain · 24/09/2022 11:19

Her point about 40 photographers seeing her children being dropped off at school in the UK - well - just astounding

Not at all. These were the photographers on the first day of one of the Cambridge children at Thomas School in London.
In return for no daily hounding the Cambridge have to give out photos to the press and even gave them a calendar of their dc one.

MM would have been told what the press say about her behind her back.

An Irish reporter once saw them photoshopping a pic of MM, turning her into a witch.

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Dinoteeth · 24/09/2022 11:27

The 40 photographers thing is just nonsense. Does she really think people will buy daily photos of her kids getting dropped at school?

W&K seem to have hit a balance of keeping the family in the spotlight and keeping privacy. The annual school photo, annual birthday photos, and the odd Royal appearance.

PompomDahlia · 24/09/2022 11:28

I also suspect that given the frosty relationship between the press and Harry, they wouldn’t have been so respectful about backing off from the kids as they have been with Will and Kate. Harry alluded to The Firm protecting the image of William/Charles at his expense - they could have asked the press to cool it with the Meghan stories if they wanted to but didn’t.

I visited Montecito on holiday and it’s absolutely gorgeous as is the surrounding countryside. I can see why Harry and Meghan would be happy there basically having a holiday resort for a home, having lots of celeb neighbours who understand the need for privacy. I’d happily take that over a cold country home. He can get on with charity stuff like Invictus instead of all the dressing up and protocol stuffiness

Readinginthesun · 24/09/2022 11:42

notanotheroneagain · 24/09/2022 11:19

Her point about 40 photographers seeing her children being dropped off at school in the UK - well - just astounding

Not at all. These were the photographers on the first day of one of the Cambridge children at Thomas School in London.
In return for no daily hounding the Cambridge have to give out photos to the press and even gave them a calendar of their dc one.

MM would have been told what the press say about her behind her back.

An Irish reporter once saw them photoshopping a pic of MM, turning her into a witch.

There are strict laws in the U.K. designed to protect all children . Only approved first day photos of the Cambridge/ Wales children have been published otherwise they are left alone .
There is absolutely no way there would have been 40 photographers waiting for Archie !

Readinginthesun · 24/09/2022 11:45

www.ipso.co.uk/media/1603/children-pub-info-v3.pdf

TheVanguardSix · 24/09/2022 11:49

He refused to sing God Save the King at his grandmother’s funeral. That’s chutzpah with extra balls. He regrets nothing. He’s a very gloomy man.

notanotheroneagain · 24/09/2022 11:51

The same ipso that denied there was any racism in the reporting of MM, despite an open letter from poc journalists complaining that there was?

They are known to be toothless because it's reporters regulating themselves.

They would know a way around it. Photograph MM - maybe not show A&L faces, then put in some snarky remarks about A&L 's behaviour. Before he could even talk, they were claiming he will be a spoilt brat.

justasking111 · 24/09/2022 12:08

TheVanguardSix · 24/09/2022 11:49

He refused to sing God Save the King at his grandmother’s funeral. That’s chutzpah with extra balls. He regrets nothing. He’s a very gloomy man.

There's something very odd about the Spencer family genetics generally mental health wise

lollipoprainbow · 24/09/2022 12:18

There's something very odd about the Spencer family genetics generally mental health wise

True. Diana and her mother for sure.

TheVanguardSix · 24/09/2022 13:27

WimpoleHat · 21/09/2022 15:55

But to be fair to Meghan, that barn door has long been open, and she's part of a different generation, not to mention from a Californian culture of constant touchy feely interactions and emotional incontinence.

Fair point - agreed. I suppose (let’s take it away from Meghan here) I’ve always objected to the notion that Diana was so much more “caring” because she hugged people than, say, Princess Anne, who didn’t - but did some incredibly hard work for Save the Children.

I think- and I say this with an acute memory of what it was like when HIV/AIDS meant certain death- the way Diana shook hands with an AIDS patient at the HIV/AIDS unit she opened back in ‘87 (I think?) really changed how the public viewed people with AIDS… and set in stone Diana’s reputation as the people’s Princess. She was instrumental in changing many people’s approach towards those with HIV/AIDS. And back then, views were very narrow and driven by fear. It was understandable. People were dying of a virus we didn’t quite understand. I think that handshake alone really showed her as a brave and truly dedicated woman… like Princess Anne, for sure. I’m not trying to start any sort of bun fight, promise. 😁 But I think that was the moment that sealed Diana’s almost saintly reputation. It was a huge gesture back then.

Shortandfurry301 · 24/09/2022 14:08

There is a genetic component to mental illness but much of it can also be a response to stressful environmental issues. For example, Diana's mother who allegedly was not treated well by her husband, had problems with alcohol, but having lost a bitter custody battle over their four DC, and having lost a 10 month old baby, perhaps her issues were an understandable response to the situation she found herself in?

Diana admitted to having had mh issues when, in her very early twenties, and having had two small DC, it gradually dawned on her that her husband never loved her and never would. And that she was basically a pawn in machinations of the state and had been used to produce an heir and a spare and she was meant to keep quiet in public and pretend all was well and her DC were supposed to collude in the lie too.

Given that Diana seemed to blossom and become much stronger and confident after her divorce, it's fairly reasonable to assume that many of her mh difficulties arose out of the situation she found herself in. And how many of us would feel anxious, paranoid and upset if photographers followed our every step and mis-step, intruded on the lives of our DC, searched through our bins, chased us by car, paid money to our cleaners, family and friends, in exchange for stories about us? I think Diana did very well in very difficult circumstances and remember that Martin Bashir went to the extent of forging documents which fuelled her distrust, and Charles's friends briefed about her being mentally ill and are still doing so now!

Rather than people being labelled as mentally "odd" therefore, surely it's more accurate to say that people have periodic mh problems when they find themselves in untenable situations. Frankly I find it disappointing that on Mumsnet in 2022 in the UK, where 1 in 4 people experience a mental health problem of some kind annually, that posters blithely talk about mh issues in such an ignorant and regressive way.

SilverLiningPlaybook · 24/09/2022 14:16

Shortandfurry301 · 24/09/2022 14:08

There is a genetic component to mental illness but much of it can also be a response to stressful environmental issues. For example, Diana's mother who allegedly was not treated well by her husband, had problems with alcohol, but having lost a bitter custody battle over their four DC, and having lost a 10 month old baby, perhaps her issues were an understandable response to the situation she found herself in?

Diana admitted to having had mh issues when, in her very early twenties, and having had two small DC, it gradually dawned on her that her husband never loved her and never would. And that she was basically a pawn in machinations of the state and had been used to produce an heir and a spare and she was meant to keep quiet in public and pretend all was well and her DC were supposed to collude in the lie too.

Given that Diana seemed to blossom and become much stronger and confident after her divorce, it's fairly reasonable to assume that many of her mh difficulties arose out of the situation she found herself in. And how many of us would feel anxious, paranoid and upset if photographers followed our every step and mis-step, intruded on the lives of our DC, searched through our bins, chased us by car, paid money to our cleaners, family and friends, in exchange for stories about us? I think Diana did very well in very difficult circumstances and remember that Martin Bashir went to the extent of forging documents which fuelled her distrust, and Charles's friends briefed about her being mentally ill and are still doing so now!

Rather than people being labelled as mentally "odd" therefore, surely it's more accurate to say that people have periodic mh problems when they find themselves in untenable situations. Frankly I find it disappointing that on Mumsnet in 2022 in the UK, where 1 in 4 people experience a mental health problem of some kind annually, that posters blithely talk about mh issues in such an ignorant and regressive way.

Very well said!

PompomDahlia · 24/09/2022 14:58

notanotheroneagain · 24/09/2022 11:51

The same ipso that denied there was any racism in the reporting of MM, despite an open letter from poc journalists complaining that there was?

They are known to be toothless because it's reporters regulating themselves.

They would know a way around it. Photograph MM - maybe not show A&L faces, then put in some snarky remarks about A&L 's behaviour. Before he could even talk, they were claiming he will be a spoilt brat.

This. There were already stories running about Archie being spoilt, being raised gender neutral, Meghan’s supposedly natural home births etc etc before he was even born - there’s nothing in the past behaviour of the press towards Harry and Meghan that suggested they would suddenly become respectful of boundaries

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