Harry - regretful?

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Do we think after seeing the magnificence of yesterday that he is regretting giving it all up?

He looks so angry and unhappy all the time now?

so Pw hugging the england players was wrong?

Do you really think those events are comparable?

No selfies ?

Not sure how you think they can stop those requests.

I agree with the touchy, feely Diana creating a cult. But to be fair to Meghan, that barn door has long been open, and she's part of a different generation, not to mention from a Californian culture of constant touchy feely interactions and emotional incontinence. The girl clearly asked Meghan for a hug, not the other way round. I think it was Meghan's natural reaction to oblige. I'm sure there would have been a negative reaction from some quarters if she had said no (which would have been in line with protocol), as much as there would have been an outcry if she had come to some harm in doing so. I thought Meghan worked the crowd that day very well - she was particularly sweet interacting with the little ones. Just shows what a wasted opportunity it was that H&M walked away form being working royals.

But to be fair to Meghan, that barn door has long been open, and she's part of a different generation, not to mention from a Californian culture of constant touchy feely interactions and emotional incontinence.

Fair point - agreed. I suppose (let’s take it away from Meghan here) I’ve always objected to the notion that Diana was so much more “caring” because she hugged people than, say, Princess Anne, who didn’t - but did some incredibly hard work for Save the Children.

Oh, I agree @WimpoleHat Princess Anne was (is) a quiet and compassionate star, who did everything Diana did for good causes, but without the attendant ridiculous drama and press hoo-ha. In fact, with Anne, Camilla and Sophie in his camp, I think Charles is a very lucky man indeed.

@CatsandFish but she has been blamed for global warming - eating too many avocado’s!!! The way people berate this poor woman we must assume that there must be many thousands of entirely perfect people in this country who have never had emotional problems or struggles with relationships and who obviously would have coped sooooo much better than Meghan when they married in to the most famous family in the world. Give the poor woman a break!!!!

@WimpoleHat @BitossiBlues hang on. Princess Anne was BORN to this family. Whilst we were learning ABC and 123 she was also learning - don’t touch, don’t hug, don’t be in a photograph etc.
very different to join as an adult and suddenly have to curb your already formed personality and change your life entirely .

Why do people keep dragging up the avocado comment yet berate others for the wedding 3 days before the marriage comment ??

Yes. One was click bait from the DM and the other was a ludicrous comment by Meghan. An insult to the British people, the royal family and the Church.

If they'd just complained about the unfair press, the lack of support from palace, and other family members, the concerns about security around their children, the suicidal ideation (must have been very scary!) I would still sympathise, as I did with them at the beginning. What I objected to was the 'He said she said ... we're not going to say who ... we're not going to say exactly what ... it may have been to do with titles and security' way that they accused the family of racism. Shouldn't they have been absolutely sure before putting that out there? I can't understand the people saying it's ok to go public with what you feel happened (my truth) without being absolutely sure that that was actually what happened.

Also, I thought it was really poor taste that Oprah was so delighted to have got that scoop. If it's true that the family saw their children as somehow second-best to the other grandchildren because of the race issue (which seemed to be what they were implying), that's incredibly, incredibly sad for the whole family. It's not just a nice bit of juicy gossip.

It's not her actions, it's her hypocracy re her actions. I.e. the way she's happy to fly unnecessarily but then dictates that others shouldn't. Most people just fly and don't preach to others about not flying!

I thought it was really poor taste that Oprah was so delighted to have got that scoop

Some would say it was in even worse taste that she chose the period of the Queen's funeral to start blabbing about it again ("I didn't know what they were going to say ...")

But then in a world where notoriety counts for more than content it was probably to be expected

Well yes, that's why we both agreed that, to be fair to Meghan, she was just being a typical Californian girl of the modern era when she accepted the hug invitation. It's not a difficult thing to learn, she just didn't spend enough time as a working royal to learn how to deal with that sort of request.

@BitossiBlues how long has Sophie Wessex been a working royal though? She also was photographed hugging someone last week. Are you outraged about her too? Not sure she has spent long in California. Maybe she was just being - you know - was warm human.

A warm human - apols

@Badbadbunny as he is a huge advocate of environmental concerns do you mind King Charles shooting things then? Or fox hunting? Or are kings allowed to be hypocrites but not American duchesses?

He doesn't hunt any more because of the optics. I don't like fox hunting but foxes take new born lambs so I'm not a fox fan.

I'm not outraged about anything, @DocD . Read my posts back - I was defending Meghan for accepting a girl's request for a hug (as opposed to a PP saying Meghan had asked the girl for one), and that is was her natural human reaction to do so.

The subsequent discussion with @WimpoleHat was that the Diana era ushered in the touchy feely expectation on royals, and made the old school royals like Anne appear "cold"; when they were actually hard working and compassionate, complying with protocol and not acting out their personal demons for the press during royal duties, thus distracting from the reason they were there. Nobody was comparing Meghan with Anne/Diana/Sophie. We were comparing Anne with Diana.

Nevertheless, hugging strangers in an open crowd is against protocol, and it is not great for the poor security services who have to keep the royal party safe - just imagine how easy it would have been for some nut to harm Meghan whilst she was leaning into that crowd for the hug.

We've shot many a fox 14 one December because the poor things had been rounded up in cities and abandoned in the country yet again. One farm caught them on a night camera big white van charity logo 26 released. Got registration Birmingham OH joy

We put up Xmas lights around the house in the trees etc it was like a siren call to the poor things. They were well under weight, mange ridden things quite unlike their country cousins.

Fox hunting on the other hand is cruel and inefficient.

@derxa you are clearly not very well informed! Fox hunting is illegal. Trail hunting is legal but 95% of hunts carry on hunting foxes illegally instead. Hunts a) feed foxes b) encourage foxes with false setts c)separate fox families when Cubs are young so that there are more spread out over their hunting area d) bag up foxes and move them to different areas to be hunted if there aren’t enough (neighbouring hunts argue over whose foxes are whose as there aren’t enough to go around as they have all migrated to urban areas and are barely a
threat to farmers any more e) mutiliate foxes so that they are easier to chase f) throw young fox Cubs into hound kennels to give them a taste of flesh
So, do you think King Charles should hunt?
Turning to shooting. pheasants spread avian flu, eat ground level bugs so that there is less for natural bird population. gamekeepers shoot beautiful predatory bits to stop them eating the young released birds. Do you think King Charles should pheasant shoot at Sandringham?

@BitossiBlues i take your point

Agreed

Well you too are clearly not well informed if you think pheasant shooting is cracking on. Pullets were imported from France. Avian flu put paid to imports. We don't breed them here in the numbers and anyway our wild birds are dropping dead all over the place. DEFRA if we report dead birds won't even turn up now in their Haz mat suits to safely collect bodies.

Avian flu is here in massive numbers