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Prince Andrew heckled as they escort HM coffin.

625 replies

JustTheOneSwan · 12/09/2022 17:13

It was inevitable but in this I feel very sorry for his siblings and daughters.

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Emotionalsupportviper · 12/09/2022 20:52

GhostFromTheOtherSide · 12/09/2022 20:46

People have called him a paedophile.

A paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to prepubescent children.

So yes, it is misinformation and likely defamation to refer to Andrew as a paedophile.

Ephebophile, if you prefer - and it is more accurate.

Virginia Guiffre was only about 5 years older than Princess Beatrice.

lemmein · 12/09/2022 20:53

He slept with a 17 year old girl

'Slept with'??

No minimisation going on here! 🙄

He's accused of having sex with a 17 year old (legal definition of an adult in the UK is 18) who had been trafficked. A person who has been trafficked can not consent to sex, therefore he raped a 17 year old girl.

MadeWithCare · 12/09/2022 20:53

Lockheart · 12/09/2022 20:51

Free speech doesn't extend to verbally abusing individuals (regardless of what you think of them) in public though. If someone was shouting and harassing you in the street, you'd rightfully expect the police to do something about it.

If someone shouted one insult at me in the street I can expect a police response? One catcall isn't harassment.

Lesserspottedmama · 12/09/2022 20:53

Huge respect to the hecklers. The British public does not accept nor tolerate men like him. He is despicable and should stay out of our sight.

CathyorClaire · 12/09/2022 20:54

He's repeatedly been trying to worm his way back into the public eye since That Interview. He's reportedly been wheedling his sick mother to that end this summer.

He's a brazen disgrace and if the royals won't tell him it's hardly surprising the public will.

His daughters aren't all that either having both accepted questionable sums from a questionable source yet despite that one's been promoted to stand-in.

What a circus.

MadeWithCare · 12/09/2022 20:55

roolz · 12/09/2022 20:51

Let's not forget Jimmy Savile was a favourite of the Royals too - but keep on boot-licking 🙄

Plenty of people were oblivious to Jimmy saville hence why he was on telly the whole time.

Re Andrew, he's a total sleaze and perv. I still think that heckler was a right idiot to disrupt the procession because it didn't just upset Andrew in isolation. Other people were there, it's disrespectful to the queen, and to other family members, not appropriate.

I don't think any of his powerful mates were oblivious to Jimmy Saville. They all knew exactly what he was up to, but it was Jimmy and it was OK.

lemmein · 12/09/2022 20:56

roolz · 12/09/2022 20:51

Let's not forget Jimmy Savile was a favourite of the Royals too - but keep on boot-licking 🙄

Plenty of people were oblivious to Jimmy saville hence why he was on telly the whole time.

Re Andrew, he's a total sleaze and perv. I still think that heckler was a right idiot to disrupt the procession because it didn't just upset Andrew in isolation. Other people were there, it's disrespectful to the queen, and to other family members, not appropriate.

Erm no, it was an open secret about JS - that was the whole point of the controversy. It's not that people didn't know, it's that they knew but did nothing - and worse still protected him.

If you think the royals didn't know JS had been accused multiple times of sexual abuse you're very naive.

Lockheart · 12/09/2022 20:57

MadeWithCare · 12/09/2022 20:53

If someone shouted one insult at me in the street I can expect a police response? One catcall isn't harassment.

One catcall would be sexual harassment, yes.

If someone is shouting and insulting you in the street then yes you could certainly call the police (and in a country where our justice system is properly funded, expect a response - whether you'd get one given the decimation of the force in recent years is another matter).

www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/summary-what-offences-may-be-committed-if-someone-shouted-or-approached-another-person

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 12/09/2022 20:57

With regards to rewriting history. It would be wrong to write it untruthfully.

I know quite a bit about a particular part of history with regards to the royal family. I also know this to be true.

Perhaps Andrew is so bitter, twisted and arrogant enough to think he can be accepted back into public life because of the fact that others have got away with very similar disgraceful behaviour before him. Perhaps he thinks he has got away with his disgraceful behaviour?

Apples.... tree ....

JaneAustensHeroine · 12/09/2022 20:57

MadeWithCare · 12/09/2022 20:47

Does he know that and thought taking the opportunity to publically grope his DD would be a winner? 😆

He must be every (decent) PR team’s nightmare. However he most likely recruits a PR team who are obsequious and don’t openly challenge. If you are surrounded by ‘yes people’ there’s no motivation to change your behaviour and he has little insight himself.

PR team must have been still congratulating themselves on promoting the fact that Andrew is adopting the Queen’s corgis.

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/09/2022 20:58

Lockheart · 12/09/2022 20:51

Free speech doesn't extend to verbally abusing individuals (regardless of what you think of them) in public though. If someone was shouting and harassing you in the street, you'd rightfully expect the police to do something about it.

If I'd behaved appallingly, and the verbal abuse was about that - then it would be justified.

But the protestor wasn't "abusive" - he said "You're a sick old man". Many hecklers would have been much more blunt.

MarshaMelrose · 12/09/2022 20:58

Even the Krays were,allowed to go to their mothers funeral. And despite being vicious murderers and torturers, I don't think they should have been harangued there either. There are times to say your piece and times to hold your peace.
Today was the latter because it wasn't about him it was about his mother.

MadeWithCare · 12/09/2022 20:58

Lockheart · 12/09/2022 20:57

One catcall would be sexual harassment, yes.

If someone is shouting and insulting you in the street then yes you could certainly call the police (and in a country where our justice system is properly funded, expect a response - whether you'd get one given the decimation of the force in recent years is another matter).

www.cps.gov.uk/cps/news/summary-what-offences-may-be-committed-if-someone-shouted-or-approached-another-person

I look forward to the AIBU. A man called me a name from a distance today, I've called 111 but the police won't do anything about it....

lemmein · 12/09/2022 20:59

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline

A timeline of JS's abuse. He was reported multiple times - yet still received a knighthood in 1990.

These are the people you are screaming to RESPECT Hmm

MadeWithCare · 12/09/2022 20:59

MarshaMelrose · 12/09/2022 20:58

Even the Krays were,allowed to go to their mothers funeral. And despite being vicious murderers and torturers, I don't think they should have been harangued there either. There are times to say your piece and times to hold your peace.
Today was the latter because it wasn't about him it was about his mother.

This wasn't the funeral. It's a public spectacle and he's supposed to have withdrawn from public life.

CathyorClaire · 12/09/2022 21:00

Plenty of people were oblivious to Jimmy saville hence why he was on telly the whole time

Savile's proclivities were an open secret at the BBC.

Lockheart · 12/09/2022 21:00

MadeWithCare · 12/09/2022 20:58

I look forward to the AIBU. A man called me a name from a distance today, I've called 111 but the police won't do anything about it....

You can be as facetious as you like, but the point remains that free speech does not extend to shouting insults at someone in the street.

JaneAustensHeroine · 12/09/2022 21:00

MyOtherCarIsAPorsche · 12/09/2022 20:57

With regards to rewriting history. It would be wrong to write it untruthfully.

I know quite a bit about a particular part of history with regards to the royal family. I also know this to be true.

Perhaps Andrew is so bitter, twisted and arrogant enough to think he can be accepted back into public life because of the fact that others have got away with very similar disgraceful behaviour before him. Perhaps he thinks he has got away with his disgraceful behaviour?

Apples.... tree ....

Agree. They all do. Certain behaviours from men in the RF will be accepted as the norm. They have been throughout history.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 12/09/2022 21:01

Lampzade · 12/09/2022 20:38

Absolutely
In the words of Ronald Reagan They ‘ ain’t seen nothing yet’

I really hope you are right.

carefullycourageous · 12/09/2022 21:01

Lockheart · 12/09/2022 21:00

You can be as facetious as you like, but the point remains that free speech does not extend to shouting insults at someone in the street.

Yes it does, and it certainly extends to holding a piece of paper saying 'Not my King'.

The clamping down on any dissent at all is not a good look.

Lockheart · 12/09/2022 21:01

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/09/2022 20:58

If I'd behaved appallingly, and the verbal abuse was about that - then it would be justified.

But the protestor wasn't "abusive" - he said "You're a sick old man". Many hecklers would have been much more blunt.

It doesn't matter what other hecklers would have done. Shouting insults at someone in the street is not freedom of speech.

Lockheart · 12/09/2022 21:02

carefullycourageous · 12/09/2022 21:01

Yes it does, and it certainly extends to holding a piece of paper saying 'Not my King'.

The clamping down on any dissent at all is not a good look.

I haven't seen anyone mention anything about a piece of paper - this is about PA being heckled.

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/09/2022 21:04

I wonder if the family made the decision for him to be there though. If they did, I do agree, it shows contempt for the public and I would be more inclined to think ‘what did you expect’. But maybe they didn’t get a choice but to have him there. I don’t know. Who would have been able to say no?

Charles

nachoavocado · 12/09/2022 21:04

It's best just to ignore him and carry on as if he isn't there imo.

Emotionalsupportviper · 12/09/2022 21:05

Lockheart · 12/09/2022 21:01

It doesn't matter what other hecklers would have done. Shouting insults at someone in the street is not freedom of speech.

Shouting truths is.