Which way would you vote in a referendum on the monarchy?

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Now that the Queen is gone, if there were ever to be a referendum, would you vote to keep or abolish?

I would vote to abolish.

I agree, it does.
But unfortunately that is how the world works and always has. Of course we hope to give children our wisdom and as many opportunities we can afford them, but I don't believe it is a bad thing to expose them to the truth.

Keep. Mostly because it seems a better alternative than who we vote in. And privilege and power is modelled as a bedfellow of duty and responsibilities. I would not have said this previously but reflecting on the last few years government and the dedication of the queen to her final week I think I’d prefer the monarchy than a president.

That's the thing though everyone is looking at it based on the reign of the queen who was calm fair and sensible
God knows what Charles will be like

Another podcast making the earlier point: 'Is having a monarch one way to avoid having a Trump?'

podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/deep-state-radio/id1245002955?i=1000579982501

Abolish, give back all the stolen land , maintain historical buildings on the public purse, put the main RF on a decent pension. The rest can fend for themselves. End of.

Abolish.

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Abolish, give back all the stolen land , maintain historical buildings on the public purse, put the main RF on a decent pension. The rest can fend for themselves. End of

the historical buildings are already public.

you do know if we abolished them as the monarchy they are still extremely rich in their own right? In fact if you take the restrictions of public life from them, they would still have their position, and more power as they’d be able to voice their opinions, and donate millions to the Tory party every year if they wanted to. We could end up with them in real political power if one decided to run for parliament, there’s no way any party wouldn’t immediately shove them in a safe seat somewhere.

They wouldn’t turn into ordinaries overnight. They’d still be super rich living that lifestyle, but doing less work.

with the knock on that they would pay less tax- yes they voluntarily pay it now, but it’s even easier just to move it offshore if you’re a private citizen. That and the tourist draw to the country would drop, and so would our economy. Even this funeral will have brought in millions.

Keep.

There are issues with having a monarchy of course and it is a relic of a bygone age (the wealth, the accident of birth) but I think the alternative would just be messy and I don't see the need for all the upheaval. Overall I like the tradition of it, dislike some family members but I think on the whole they understand their constitutional role and play that as well as can be expected. Slimmed down is the way to go.

There are issues with having a monarchy of course and it is a relic of a bygone age (the wealth, the accident of birth)

is it any different to the likes of Trump who is only there by accident of birth. Born into the super rich, and only president because of that. Only Trump had a lot more power than the monarchy, and was able to make actual policy.

Unsure on that one. We now have a Charles Windsor, who is a fart if ever I saw one.

And but for two accidents of fate, one being abdication, the other order of birth, we'd have had a Nazi sympathizer or a befriender of convicted sex traffickers (and someone who paid off their victim) as king. Except that in those cases, there'd have been no recourse via the ballot box to vote them out.

Of course, Trump did challenge the course of democracy by insisting he'd won the last election: a dangerous move that might have threatened the bedrock of the US constitution. But in the end he was removed regardless. Democracy (and the system) prevailed.

I do think the UK constitution needs a rethink. It's not enough, as some republican campaigners seem to be advocating, simply to remove the Windsors and replace them with an elected Head of State. An elected upper house is the minimum of what's needed in addition, and, some might add, a consolidated constitution. That's even more urgent given we've voluntarily removed the checks and balances afforded us by the EU.

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Keep. I think the best of it epitomises what the UK is all about.

And but for two accidents of fate, one being abdication, the other order of birth, we'd have had a Nazi sympathizer or a befriender of convicted sex traffickers (and someone who paid off their victim) as king. Except that in those cases, there'd have been no recourse via the ballot box to vote them out.

Well, no. The Queen would still have succeeded if Edward VIII hadn't abdicated, as he had no heirs, so we would still have Charles as King now. If Andrew had been the firstborn, he would have had a very different upbringing and, let's face it, much less by way of opportunities to fall into Epstein's circle.

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Abolish

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I guess it's good that it's King Charles rather than King Andrew. I think it's bonkers where we have an unelected Monachy. The Queen was a shrewd woman and was brilliant at being a Queen but the thought that we could have easily had King Andrew is scary.

King Charles would usually be the type of man slated on MN for being an adulterer and for appearing to have been quite cruel to Princess Diana. I don't know why so many MNs seem to like him. Hopefully he will change my mind. He needs to overrule some of the exemptions to environmental laws that the Queen had sorted for herself for her vast amounts of land in Scotland. Time will tell if he is a hypocrite or not

It's not much different to making my offspring a director of the family company who manufacture widgets. They might not be the best choice but they're blood kin

Mind you I know that can go horrible wrong, just recently the offspring cocked up a big contract that cost the family four million in our social circle

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Abolish.

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If Andrew had been the first born, he wouldn't have been the same person. He'd have been Charles. Just like if Margaret had been born before Elizabeth, she wouldn't have become the same person she became, heavily drinking, chain smoking, socialite swanning round Europe with younger men on her arm.

Abolish. Then hang around for a bit, just to make to sure it's definitely abolished. None of that horror movie stuff, where you THINK that fall from a fifth-floor window must have killed It, but you look back and it's gone/escaped/hoarded the wealth of the fucking country whilst inexplicably trying to convince people who can't eat/heat their homes that they NEED nineteen estates, fifteen million diamonds and a fucking golden coach. Because tourism.