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BBC 1 tribute is rather odd

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meateatingveggie · 09/09/2022 21:32

I mean obviously it's pre recorded but how did they get them to speak of her in the past tense?

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Snowiscold · 10/09/2022 00:16

No, of course the Queen wasn’t going to recover! Why would anyone think that? The Palace told us that with the “seriously concerned” doctors.

BogRollBOGOF · 10/09/2022 00:19

The documentary looks like it's been pieced together over time. The sections of Charles/ Anne/ Edward and Andrew looked older from the way they've aged since, so I'd suspect that was from pre-Philips's death. The Prime Minister sections looked more recent with little difference in current styling. Presumably it's been reviewed recently for Jubilee updates which were included.

I noticed the checked handkerchief. It's part of Charles' role to have been reasonably prepared for accession to the throne. I say reasonably because it's certainly a challenge in the face of close, personal grief. I doubt that it's a co-incidence that it was the same handkerchief and he's probably had an outfit ready that he's used for preparing the time when the inevitable occured including his part in obituaries. (Using similar logic to newsreaders always having black accessible).

We had a circumstance of bereavement with awkward timing earlier this year. We didn't tell the DCs for a few hours until we'd managed a video conference to clarify the situation and our next actions. We let the DCs out to play, wiped tears for a few minutes, parent A went out to join them and parent B had some quiet time to process the situation. When I lost a parent, they were on their way to their parent. They weren't informed ASAP; they were collected and told in person as it was kinder to do it with company and support than to break their heart over the phone out of urgency.
Even without the world's media involved, sometimes you have to pause the news for a better moment with clearer answers/ family to arrive etc.

CaramelTwirl · 10/09/2022 00:20

There were people being interviewed saying ''we hope the queen gets over this'' why not just be honest and say the Queen is not expected to survive the day?

Janesdufflecoat · 10/09/2022 00:24

Edward looked genuinely upset I thought!

Snowiscold · 10/09/2022 00:28

CaramelTwirl · 10/09/2022 00:20

There were people being interviewed saying ''we hope the queen gets over this'' why not just be honest and say the Queen is not expected to survive the day?

But that’s a passive construction. Exactly who would actually be “expecting the Queen not to last the day”? What person? Who would be prepared to say that? That would be complete speculation and irresponsible journalism. And no one knew that she wouldn’t last the day. She might have had days left.

JubileeTissues · 10/09/2022 00:33

@CaramelTwirl are you just gutted you didn't get time to write that shite poem? Bizarre.

JubileeTissues · 10/09/2022 00:36

"Having said that I still found the announcement shocking despite telling everyone that she’s sadly already passed."

You told everyone she'd "sadly passed" before they announced it? Confused

VivienneDelacroix · 10/09/2022 00:38

Really? You didn't know that these programmes have been being made for many years, often refreshed and topped up with more recent anecdotes. How did you think they get programmes together so quickly when people die?

They did it for HM The Queen Mother, HRH The Duke of Edinburgh, Thatcher...they will start on Charles' quite soon. I'm sure there is one ready for when Attenborough dies.

Having it ready doesn't mean that someone has a terminal illness, unless you view old age as a terminal diagnosis (which it is really).

I find it strange that an adult wouldn't have realised this is how obituaries, tributes, and memorial television is made. They don't actually infringe on people's grief in the hours after a death so they can put out the 9pm "special tribute to XXX" on the day they die!

Snowiscold · 10/09/2022 00:46

There are loads of tribute programmes for the Queen being remade right now. They have all been made in advance, with interviews with the great and good recorded months if not years ago. We haven’t seen the half of it yet.

watcherintherye · 10/09/2022 00:47

Snowiscold · 10/09/2022 00:28

But that’s a passive construction. Exactly who would actually be “expecting the Queen not to last the day”? What person? Who would be prepared to say that? That would be complete speculation and irresponsible journalism. And no one knew that she wouldn’t last the day. She might have had days left.

The media would potentially have been camped outside the gates of Balmoral for days? I don’t think so!

Snowiscold · 10/09/2022 00:52

watcherintherye · 10/09/2022 00:47

The media would potentially have been camped outside the gates of Balmoral for days? I don’t think so!

Well, yes, of course they would if it came to it. That’s what they do. It’s their job. I’m baffled why you think they wouldn’t.

Dinoteeth · 10/09/2022 00:59

Snowiscold · 10/09/2022 00:52

Well, yes, of course they would if it came to it. That’s what they do. It’s their job. I’m baffled why you think they wouldn’t.

Its one thing for the press to be camped out. Its a totally different scenario having the TV coverage of the Balmoral gates for hours. The presenters were struggling to find enough waffle to fill in the hours without it potentially going on for days.

wordler · 10/09/2022 00:59

It’s how all obits are done - otherwise they couldn’t be ready in time.

wordler · 10/09/2022 01:04

Janesdufflecoat · 10/09/2022 00:24

Edward looked genuinely upset I thought!

So having done this many times for obits it depends on the person you are interviewing and their relationship to the future deceased. Close relatives can very easily get into the mindset of the grief they would feel - even if you are doing the obit years from when it might be needed. Obviously the older the subject the more real it feels to some people.

Print journalists do it too but you don’t have the same realization that they were being asked as far in advance as radio and TV.

watcherintherye · 10/09/2022 01:14

Snowiscold · 10/09/2022 00:52

Well, yes, of course they would if it came to it. That’s what they do. It’s their job. I’m baffled why you think they wouldn’t.

I’m baffled that you think it’s the BBC’s job to empty the schedules and start a broadcast about an event which might not happen for days! I just don’t believe they would do that. I think they must have been given a briefing which led them to suppose that the Queen’s death was imminent, such as ‘she is not expected to survive the day’. If they then persist with the ‘we don’t know any more than you’ line, then that is misleading.

Bunnycat101 · 10/09/2022 01:24

Anything they’ll have had will have been under embargo. The press knows stuff hours before the public do on many, many occasions. But also they’ll have known what the lunchtime press release from the palace meant even without additional tip-offs.

no doubt there will be a whole package on Attenborough ready to go as well. It’s just more practical to have interviews done and ready to go.

Ihaveanoldiphone · 10/09/2022 01:25

JubileeTissues · 10/09/2022 00:36

"Having said that I still found the announcement shocking despite telling everyone that she’s sadly already passed."

You told everyone she'd "sadly passed" before they announced it? Confused

yes the people I live with and family that were texting me I was telling them I’m certain she’s died as reporters are all in black. But no, they didn’t know if she’d survive the day but knew it was very serious so they turned up in black, waiting for the announcement but not waiting for the announcement as how could they know anything 😂

CumoTow · 10/09/2022 01:26

CaramelTwirl · 09/09/2022 22:11

Oh come on. They knew she wouldn't last the year out. They knew she had died yesterday but kept up the Queen is comfortable and resting farce. They lied.

You and others making this claim that people knew or that it was obvious are the ones lacking common sense. I'm literally astounded at the stupidity on display here.

Firstly, anyone 'on their way out' must have a terminal disease. There's simply no other way that anyone can be certified as 'living on borrowed time'; and even normal people don't casually reveal that they have been diagnosed as terminally ill to any Tom, Dick, or Harry. The idea that the queen of England would be diagnosed as being terminally ill and that this would be revealed to members of the media under an oath of secrecy is utterly imbecilic.

If the Queen and the royal family were happy to reveal such a thing to members of the media (unknown to them and outside their family, their social circle, and even class) they might just as well go public with it - which is what they would do given that it would be considered of the utmost importance and in the public interest. The royal family maintains a public website, for crying out loud.

Then there's this ridiculous argument that at age 96 "it was absolutely fucking obvious that she wasn't going to live much longer!" - rarely have I heard such rubbish. People are increasingly living longer and the number of people living beyond 100 has increased vastly over the last few decades. Add to this the fact the royal family receives the absolute best of everything - in the national interest if nothing else - and every one of them is likely to live far longer than the rest of the populace. Indeed, this is the reason she, and other royals, are able to work so long and always look so good for their age. They have personal chefs and dieticians, personal medical experts of whatever type is needed or recommended, they have the best food, prepared in the best ways; they can have procedures such as colonic irrigation at the snap of their fingers if they want or need it, and a thousand other things available to them that normal people could only dream of - if they even knew about them.

So, the idea that the queen was obviously living on borrowed time just because of her age, is laughable. The fact is her health would have been monitored daily by experts (as it had been for decades) and she would have been 'as well as it was possible for them to keep her' without her actually having any specific illness; since old age is not an illness, they can't treat her for it. All they can do is feed her properly, ensure she doesn't fall or strain herself, encourage her to do age-appropriate exercises suited to maintain a healthy heart, protect her from pathogens, etc.

Now, assuming she died because of organ failure due to her age (since no one can live forever with the best of everything), there would be symptoms of this that her carers would immediately respond to e.g., shortness of breath, feeling faint, abdominal pains, etc. and her medical team would go to work to remedy everything that showed up as needing attention. She would be taken to a place suitable for this and closely monitored minute by minute. None of this need be expected at all. The doctors will of course have seen old people die hundreds of times and recognise the signs if they were there (which they obviously would have been) and that's when the first contact with the PM would have been made; but even then, they would have been hopeful of a recovery.

The obituary documentaries are prepared as a matter of routine not because they thought death was imminent but because they have to be prepared because death can strike anyone at almost any time, and high-profile figures like the queen are at a greater risk because of their potential to be a victim of an assassination not just because of their station but because they are regularly in close contact with members of the public.

I'd bet everything I own in an instant that most people were shocked by the sudden death of the queen and that almost no one responded to the news by saying, 'How could anyone possibly be surprised given her age?'.

JubileeTissues · 10/09/2022 01:32

"yes the people I live with and family that were texting me I was telling them I’m certain she’s died as reporters are all in black. But no, they didn’t know if she’d survive the day but knew it was very serious so they turned up in black, waiting for the announcement but not waiting for the announcement as how could they know anything 😂"

They didn't turn up in black. They changed into black, as is protocol with an announcement on the Queen's ill health. You didn't need to start informing all and sundry 😂

JubileeTissues · 10/09/2022 01:36

"I'd bet everything I own in an instant that most people were shocked by the sudden death of the queen and that almost no one responded to the news by saying, 'How could anyone possibly be surprised given her age?'."

You'd be a very poor woman if the bookies would take that bet! How do you think most well but very old people die? It's quite often very sudden. One minute there, the next, gone

Ihaveanoldiphone · 10/09/2022 01:37

JubileeTissues · 10/09/2022 01:32

"yes the people I live with and family that were texting me I was telling them I’m certain she’s died as reporters are all in black. But no, they didn’t know if she’d survive the day but knew it was very serious so they turned up in black, waiting for the announcement but not waiting for the announcement as how could they know anything 😂"

They didn't turn up in black. They changed into black, as is protocol with an announcement on the Queen's ill health. You didn't need to start informing all and sundry 😂

all and sundry? my members of family, who wouldn’t really give much of a crap anyway, they’re just celebrities for many of us anyway. I was shocked when David Bowie died.

They were wearing black at least an hour before the announcement by bbc news. So you’re saying they knew an hour before the news announcement that she was dying or dead, or they knew she is in Ill health and she may have had another day or so left but the protocol is to wear black in anyway. Really?

JubileeTissues · 10/09/2022 01:44

"They were wearing black at least an hour before the announcement by bbc news. So you’re saying they knew an hour before the news announcement that she was dying or dead, or they knew she is in Ill health and she may have had another day or so left but the protocol is to wear black in anyway. Really?"

Yes that's the protocol. It's about being prepared. The palace put out their statement early afternoon, that's the moment everyone in PR/marketing/broadcasting springs into action. We have to be prepared. We don't turn up with one set of clothing just hoping that will do, we prepare.

porkmarkets · 10/09/2022 01:51

Antarcticant · 09/09/2022 22:16

I noticed Charles had the same hanky in his pocket as today.

Maybe it was a 2 pack

JubileeTissues · 10/09/2022 02:04

"I noticed Charles had the same hanky in his pocket as today."

@Antarcticant you didn't see Charles yesterday. You saw him walking into Buckingham Palace (this afternoon) and then making his speech from Buckingham Palace (this afternoon)

Snowiscold · 10/09/2022 02:07

watcherintherye · 10/09/2022 01:14

I’m baffled that you think it’s the BBC’s job to empty the schedules and start a broadcast about an event which might not happen for days! I just don’t believe they would do that. I think they must have been given a briefing which led them to suppose that the Queen’s death was imminent, such as ‘she is not expected to survive the day’. If they then persist with the ‘we don’t know any more than you’ line, then that is misleading.

The “event” is the Queen’s serious decline in health. But no one would know when she was to die. Only her doctors or nurses could guess, and even they wouldn’t know exactly. People often outlive their prognosis, or indeed often go more quickly than expected. I work in television. We did not know anything, only that things were hotting up with our prep work for all eventualities from lunchtime onwards. The Queen’s decline in health was already the top story of the day from the morning, so anyone could see how it might pan out.