Big Dog is enjoying his last weeks. Who will be leader - Truss or Sunak Thread 13

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New thread as needed.

I wonder what new promises will come out this week?

'Shame it was a week too late and caused a lot of unnecessary deaths.'

Loads of information now states lockdown had little if any effect on death rates. Saying 'it was a week too late' is up there with trotting out 'worst death rate ever'. All incorrect and disproved.

Well, we had a perfectly competent PM

As if.

Do you have a link.

I know we don't have the highest death rate and our curve was very up and done compared to other counties.

It I've seen nothing that it didn't cause more deaths because of the number of people who caught it at large events prior to lockdown.

I don't believe you are the Johnson/Tory apologist you pretend to be jj. It is all just a wind up. At least I hope so.

How are the rocketing fuel prices media scaremongering?

It's a shame they pushed Johnson out so we've had this leadership competition taking up time when they should be having press conferences with energy bosses and ministers to explain what is going on and what the plan is

Please explain what is stopping this happening? Johnson is still PM and seems to have plenty of spare time on his hands.

Do you honestly think the Cheltenham Festival should've gone ahead? There are legitimate facts out there showing how it spread the virus far and wide.

We had tickets. We didn't go. But thousands and thousands did. It will have caused unnecessary deaths. It could have been cancelled but no... Dido Harding...

Saing lockdown wasn't needed at that point is ridiculous.

It is hilarious that the media are too blame according to Truss.

I mean that's not a desperate excuse at all.

we had a perfectly competent PM

We certainly did. The last one was called Gordon Brown.

'How are the rocketing fuel prices media scaremongering?'

The media screeching thousands will freeze to death is all very similar to the covid we're all going to die hysteria.

'Saing lockdown wasn't needed at that point is ridiculous.'

I didn't say it wasn't needed I said a week earlier wouldn't have 'saved thousands of lives' I cba to link half the Internet, just google 'did lockdowns save lives' and the answer is not really or very few and compared to all the other terrible consequences. I believed it was worth it at the time, but we now know it didn't really help death wise. So the pp saying 'we locked down too late and thousands more died!' Is incorrect.

That said I wouldn't have gone to a massive event either. That's just common sense isn't it, as always many people don't seem to have any.

'We certainly did. The last one was called Gordon Brown.'

You are joking right?

The media screeching thousands will freeze to death is all very similar to the covid we're all going to die hysteria

I haven't seen any screeching, but thousands of people already die every winter because of cold homes and this crisis will make things worse if not addressed. People are worried and rightly so.Do try and find some fucking empathy

Living in cold temperatures can lead to high blood pressure and a weakened immune system, which puts older people in particular at greater risk of developing respiratory and cardiovascular disease alongside other seasonal illnesses. Public Health England suggest that over one-fifth (22%) of excess deaths during winter are directly linked to cold homes

www.oftec.org/news/2021/12/23/government-urged-to-tackle-uk-s-winter-death-and-cold-home-crisis

Charity warns 8,500 deaths due to cold homes – almost 20% higher than the previous winter

Sorry forgot the link:

www.nea.org.uk/news/271120-01/

OK, that's enough Clavinova-ing from me!

The media screeching thousands will freeze to death is all very similar to the covid we're all going to die hysteria

oh, you mean when thousands of people did actually die and now any available healthcare is on its arse? I don’t think it’s hysteria if the predictions turn out to be true.

My db was working as a bus driver in Cheltenham when that festival was held. He was quite ill shortly after but obviously no testing at that point.
Cheltenham should definitely have been cancelled.

Living in a cold home, worrying about eating or heating, is not going to be good for people's health and will exacerbate any underlying health conditions. Health outcomes in the UK are still widely divided by social groups, income etc. This is just going to make it worse.

There are ways we can make things better. What kind of society do we want to live in? I mean we already live in a world that's really unfair with how resources are shared out. But we can't see a lot of that. I suppose out of sight, out of mind and all that.

Ah, the stock answer when asked for facts, proof, look it up yourself

Providing relevant links to a question, statement is not Clav's style, you must do better

The media have pointed out the energy cap is 50% of people on a basic pensions income.

So yes. With food proves rising and everything else as well there will be elderly who die due to not being to heat their homes.

We can look at the ONS excess deaths and reasons for death as we did with covid.

I always like to look at actual data rather than the DM or whatever.

Which also shows the excess deaths March and April 2020 were extremely high.

Many of those from covid which they wouldn't have caught if we locked down sooner.

The curve shows how quickly it rescinded once we were in lockdown.

The stock answer when you don't have the proof or links

Clav will be disappointed in her supportive counterpart.

I didn't say it wasn't needed I said a week earlier wouldn't have 'saved thousands of lives' I cba to link half the Internet, just google 'did lockdowns save lives' and the answer is not really or very few and compared to all the other terrible consequences. I believed it was worth it at the time, but we now know it didn't really help death wise. So the pp saying 'we locked down too late and thousands more died!' Is incorrect

That is so contradictory, I don't understand what you mean.
Yes, lockdown was needed
Yes, they locked down too late
But it didn't save lives and wasn't needed is all I'm getting from your post.

And it's all the people's fault that they went to a big event. That is ridiculous, if the Government can't guide us by closing down events that should've have happened, they should not have been in power.
At that time, the public had no idea how dangerous it all was, and letting eventsw like CheltFest go ahead was a message from the Govt to say it's OK to attend.

Pensioners are also more likely to be on during the day and to need the heating on.

And to feel the cold more, especially with health complications.

So quite likely to have higher energy costs anyway

Possibly more likely to pay every month / quarter rather than by regular DD and to use cheques or to pay a bill at the post office (if that can still be done)

So come winter, the quarterly bill will be 3 x higher than last winter, and it will be much higher then the one in the quarter before.

if the Government can't guide us by closing down events that should NOT* have happened, they should not have been in power.