Big Dog is enjoying his last weeks. Who will be leader - Truss or Sunak Thread 13

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New thread as needed.

I wonder what new promises will come out this week?

12 years of Tory

Exclusive: Armed police are being sent to save the lives of people in cardiac arrest because ambulances “can’t cope” with demand

Officers are spending up to a third of their time on non-policing matters, HM Chief Inspector of Constabulary told me

twitter.com/lizziedearden/status/1556556162589511680?t=iRIVhgogk-pgCY3If8pOeA&s=19

It's in the Telegraph behind paywall

Not 1, not 2, but 3 Downing Street staff say they are prepared to give evidence to MPs claiming the PM misled parliament over what he know about the Partygate scandal.
twitter.com/pimlicat/status/1556886994164371457?t=uHIeV0gCEClGt1P4syj0tg&s=19

3 people who clearly don't think they'll be in Truss cabinet?!

I read it as staffers not ministers.

That makes more sense!

"Latest calculation for the electricity and gas UK retail price cap is scary. Very, very scary.

Consultant @CornwallInsight puts the cap in October at £3,582 a year (up from £1,971 per year current). From January, it jumps to £4,266 per year."

twitter.com/javierblas/status/1556916295005765632?s=21&t=akOeCRpDgQt_zWBjzlTh7w

At £4,266 a year would mean us paying double what we do at the moment. Over 355 a month
We only have a modest 3 bed.

I understand that Ofgem will announce the October rate on August 26th. By this point I'd imagine most votes in the leadership contest will have been cast.

So we won't have a clear idea as to prices & what action will be taken until early? Mid? September.

Food prices have risen 9.8% according to the Times. Petrol prices we know have shot up (although they are beginning to lower).

We have a small library with about 8 seats. Its open 3 half days and all day Saturday. I can imagine in Winter it's going to be full for those days.

That said obviously fuel hikes hit public services too.

NEW: Liz Truss doubling down on her failure to announce any new cost-of-living help now. “What I don't believe in is taxing people to the highest level in 70 years, and then giving them their own money back.”

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-liz-truss-refuses-pledge-27695539

Predictions today, I still believe Sunak will get it not Truss. I just don't think her reported 8 million wealth is comparable to his reported 4 billion wealth and what that might mean. Then there is the little matter of what is being reported in the international and transatlantic press. I feel I might be out on a limb here though!
Prediction 2 Johnson won't hang around, he'll go home to his birthplace and make the most of his friendships with prominent people over there and imagine the money to be made .
Prediction 3 Ordinary UK cirizens will suffer from Tory policies in a way never seen before.

And this makes me want to cry.

Very likely Bojo will seek to be PM again, he is an ace manipulator & wants to emulate his hero.

Neither Truss nor Sunak have any handle on the energy costs about to hit, nor do they seem to appreciate that high prices may well be here to stay and we simply do not have the money to keep giving people £100s every few months.

the new PM is going to have think differently.

Labour are being very quiet, have they folded as the official opposition? on Hols? with the LDs standing in.

@AndreaC74 I refer to Labour as the non-opposition, the Lib Dem proposal makes sense. Better to reduce costs than increase income by the same amount.

@Elodie09 I wish it was Sunak not Truss, but expect Truss to win.

Thanks for the new thread. Too depressed by it all to comment right now!

@balalake what do you think Johnson will do?

I think Mr Johnson could resign as an MP to try and dodge the scrutiny hearing over the 'alleged' lying to Parliament. He cannot then be suspended as an MP and have to face the recall process and a by-election where he would probably lose.

I wouldn't say he'd probably lose. But it's a risk.

Thanks for the new thread.

If she gets in she'll U-turn on this within days.

I imagine she's focusing on what Tory membership want to hear for now (which says a lot about the membership). Also she'll want a positive bump come the Autumn.

None of that helps people with their worries and financial planning however.

Assuming she gets in, early September, has she got the time to implement something suitable?
Cap in October around 3.7k and going to 4.6k in January - remember no cap on business energy! this is going to Turbocharge inflation too.

This isn't just a crisis for the low paid or those on benefits or pensions, this will cripple millions, even those earning so called decent wages, yet from Govt the response seems to be "Quiet, we've a leadership contest to run"

Hmmmm. Doris is American. Maybe he'll run for POTUS 😆

I thought Ed Dave was brilliant on GMB this morning. He actually had a proposal he could explain and it made sense!

"Assuming she gets in, early September, has she got the time to implement something suitable?"

What I'd like to believe is that work is going on now which can be implemented quickly (enough?). In my mind I think they've decided to take the flak now, keep the membership talking about wokery nonsense and complete leadership election because those members will vote Tory anyway. Then come September they can be seen to ride to the national rescue.

That way any quibbles about an unelected leader temporarily fall away (in time for party conferences in October where they can all applaud themselves 🙄).

If they are seen to suggest paths forward now they won't get the benefit in the polls later.

I also think the Labour Party have decided to let the Conservatives pull each other apart a bit more before going on the attack. By the end of the month they should be shredding the lack of direction and suggesting plans (which Conservatives will reject and then u-turn on).

That's what I am sort of hoping is happening because otherwise it is all too awful. This might make me naïve, cynical or just dumb.

And as I say it leaves the rest of us spending summer worrying about the winter.

When the Sun puts the boot in it gives me hope. Meanwhile according to the Telegraph the current shitshow is all Gordon Brown’s fault - they appear not to have noticed he hasn’t been in power for 12 years.

www.thesun.co.uk/news/19445106/economic-emergency-choose-prime-minister/

Thanks for the new thread.

Asked my very brexy df82 what he thought of Truss: “not a lot”
Asked him about Sunak: “no better”

He then said he wanted Boris back.

@Lonelycrab I assume your Df82 has stopped listening to or reading news broadcasts/papers. Remind him that Mr Johnson did not care if he had died during the pandemic.