Big Dog is enjoying his last weeks. Who will be leader - Truss or Sunak Thread 13

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New thread as needed.

I wonder what new promises will come out this week?

guide us through the energy crisis

What, like he’s been doing this last couple of months, being you know, our actual PM?

Janii - are you suggesting that the Conservatives will lose the next election if they don't have Johnson in the Cabinet?

If Johnson was so brilliant at handling the energy issue why hadn't it been solved already? They were warned last December that costs would increase by 50%.

More lies exposed

A Conservative ex-UK Government minister has admitted that the Welsh public were deliberately misled about how replacement money for former EU funds would be spent in Wales.
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/former-tory-minister-confirms-party-24888833

Don't look up Janiie

But Jeremy Corbyn, Keir had a beer, Boris knows what a woman is....

@JaniieJones excellent parody of just the kind of posters that seem to have gone missing, thank you for reminding me of the emptiness of their arguments.

I am sure @JaniieJones is as delighted as I am that the removal of Brexit red tape has meant that we can pump sewage into rivers, lakes and seas without a care in the world.

What is to be alive when you can go down the local park and swim in raw sewage again.

He was ousted by his backbenchers he therefore couldn't make new policies. Anyway the cap was announced only a few days ago.

They'll introduce more support once Truss or Sunak are PM. Don't let Martin Lewis do a Piers Morgan 'we're all going to die' on you. Concerning times but folk are getting help and will get more.

If anyone ever spots me on here championing one personality over the wider collaborative political party please feel free to give me a shoeing.

He was ousted by his backbenchers he therefore couldn't make new policies. Anyway the cap was announced only a few days ago

A good leader would have put that aside, talked to the two candidates and actually started the process of finding a response.

But he’s a useless, lazy leader more interested in sitting around on holiday doing nothing.

Strange concept that Johnson was ousted by backbenchers. I sort of had the impression that the fact that a record number of ministers resigned because they couldn't work with him had something to do with it. Also the final straw of his total mishandling of a sexual abuse case within the ranks coupled with repeated lying and sending his colleagues out to lie for him. Didn't any of that happen, @JaniieJones

Using the name Keith to insult Keir Starmer aligns you with the very worst of the worst out there.
The only people I see use it on Twitter are bigoted racists with vile posts.
I am sure you aren't like them nor would you want to be Janiie

Totally agree

Absolutely. She only does it to wind us up.

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@JaniieJones We have known that there were going to be massive energy price rises since the end of last year. A proactive government would have taken steps then to help people. Perhaps for example by supporting the motion in January to remove VAT on domestic fuel, something that was touted as a benefit of Brexit. Or the government could later in the spring done more to support people, instead of having to be dragged kicking and screaming into doing something.

Given that Boris has consistently ignored every crisis (even those of his own creating) during his time as Prime Minister, it really isn't a surprise he has done nothing this summer, but that is not because he was not able to.

'A proactive government would have taken steps then to help people'

Which they've done! £650 to vulnerable households, 150 to everyone on PIP (pip isn't means tested) £400 to everyone else plus £300 to pensioners. There will be more to come.

twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1565298102524846080?t=Q8x0FruZiE32Bb-Ftl8EdA&s=19

I know things are not funny at the moment with the state of the country but dear god look at this 😮🤣

'Given that Boris has consistently ignored every crisis (even those of his own creating) during his time as Prime Minister'

Ah yes. Ignored covid. Ignored Ukraine and wasn't involved in the energy crisis payments. Riiight.

Very unfair to credit backbenchers with ousting Johnson.
Backbenchers AND members of the Cabinet, ministers, PPSs, Ethics Advisors, Tory party chairman, Tory donors and trade envoys.
Of course Kwarteng, Patel, Braverman, Schapps & Zahawi also all urged Johnson to go.
I think we need to acknowledge it was a group effort.

Jesus. Watch it all and listen in context. He was making a point that more nuclear power will be a costly outlay but worth it for longterm savings.

I'll just say "new kettles" to that!

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'(See my link)'

I saw it. Watch the whole thing.

@JaniieJones I will help you, here is what I wrote.

We have known that there were going to be massive energy price rises since the end of last year. A proactive government would have taken steps then to help people.

You will note the word then, referring to a time, in fact the time mentioned in the previous sentence, which was late last year.

At which point the Johnson government was ignoring the issue as they continued to do for many months afterwards. The opposition even tried to help people but the government whipped its MPs in January to vote against supporting people.

@JaniieJones you are correct. Johnson ignored covid until much of the country had gone into self imposed isolation, failing to turn up to Cobra meetings. Ignored Ukraine until Russia invaded, well except for sending Liz Truss who did not seem to know where Ukraine was.

Partygate was another excellent example of Johnson failing to deal with a situation until it had got far worse.

@JaniieJones It is terrible when people selectively quote isn't it, one loses all sense of what was trying to be conveyed. Such a shame just a short while ago another poster did that with one of my posts.

Now of course if Johnson had not spent his entire time as Prime Minister ignoring the problems of the country, we would have far better insulated homes, far more renewable electricity and so the crisis would be less severe, but his habit is always to leave everything as long as possible so that he doesn't have to do any work or make decisions that might upset someone.