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Big Dog is enjoying his last weeks. Who will be leader - Truss or Sunak Thread 13

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cakeorwine · 08/08/2022 19:09

New thread as needed.

I wonder what new promises will come out this week?

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SueSaid · 10/08/2022 09:11

'He can only take the credit along with the blame for the backlog in the first place. Both happened on his watch'

The pandemic was his fault? The massive surge on the nhs was his fault? Wtaf.

itsgettingweird · 10/08/2022 09:19

DowningStreetParty · 10/08/2022 08:55

Meanwhile, irresponsible populist Truss, shows her attitude to ‘the media’ taken straight from Trump or Putin’s playbook. Her attitude is repellent. Any critical questioning of policy is blamed on journalists being politically biased and opposed to her. Errr.. What does she think a free press is for? More importantly why on earth does she think she or her colleagues in government should not be be publicly accountable for their actions? Her attitude is really scary.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/aug/09/liz-truss-rebuked-for-cheap-jibes-at-hustings-after-criticising-media

But they don't actually believe in free press as such. They pay enough for good stories to be written and make sure taxes work for media giants to keep them onside.

It's the same way they are appalled when asked a question and they don't actually answer it - that someone asks them to actually ask the question.

They think they should speak - we should listen.

I'm not sure when they forgot they work for us - and sadly that many of the electorate have forgotten this too.

itsgettingweird · 10/08/2022 09:23

There are sure to be more energy hand outs. The initial payments are still being sent out. Stop letting the media whip you up constantly.

Well the media have informed me the energy payouts of £400 are being paid over 6 payments directly to the energy account from October.

Should I be ignoring them and start asking where my payout is if they are apparently being sent out?

If you mean the cost of living payments then yes, those have been sent out for those on UC.
Others who qualify will be starting to receive payments from august and those on the old tax credits system won't get their first payment until Autumn (so hopefully October)

But the cost of living payouts are for the general cost of living to support families.

Not like you to not be on top of your brief

DowningStreetParty · 10/08/2022 09:25

Oh look! A squirrel over there!!!!
This NHS success on some waiting times is great news in terms of massive staff effort, I am sorry it’s been reduced to a diversionary tactic here, but please do show us what Johnson’s government policies have done to make it happen. It’s also only the tip of the waiting times iceberg. Pay cuts in real terms will affect NHS staff’s ability to keep this up.

from the article linked to by Janiiee

A record 6.6 million people are still waiting for hospital treatment, according to the BBC.

The NHS England chief executive, Amanda Pritchard, said: “It has only been possible because the NHS has continued to reform the way we deliver care, using innovative techniques and adopting pioneering technology like robot surgery, and through building new relationships and mutual aid arrangements across systems to offer patients the opportunity to be transferred elsewhere and get the care they need as quickly as possible.

“The next phase will focus on patients waiting longer than 18 months, building on the fantastic work already done, and, while it is a significant challenge, our remarkable staff have shown that, when we are given the tools and resources we need, the NHS delivers for our patients.”

NHS England’s national director of elective recovery, Sir James Mackey, said: “Reaching this milestone is testament to the hard work of NHS staff across the country, who have treated tens of thousands of the longest waits in the six months since we launched our ambitious recovery plan.

“From dedicated surgery hubs to increase the number of procedures carried out each day, to day case surgeries allowing people to recover in the comfort of their homes, and ensuring treatment transfers can happen for those patients prepared to travel, NHS staff are doing everything possible to bring down long waits for patients even further.”

and in a longer, different article: BBC:

Saffron Cordery, the interim chief executive of NHS Providers which represents hospital trusts, told the BBC: "There is a long way to go with mental health, community and hospital care backlogs, and to relieve pressure on ambulance services."
Cutting cancer diagnosis waiting times and eliminating 78-week waits was now a priority, she said, adding that progress could be "put at risk" if the government did not increase investment in the NHS.
Regarding potential strikes by nurses over pay, Ms Cordery said: "Nobody wants to see industrial action, but what we have to remember is that we have a workforce that has been working flat-out for the past two-and-a-half years, and is now being asked to go the extra mile again to get these waiting lists down."
Nigel Edwards, chief executive of The Nuffield Trust independent health think tank, said: "This is a good achievement - but like getting to base camp, there's quite a mountain to climb in terms of people waiting over a year... and over 78 weeks, which are much bigger numbers than the figure for two-year waits."

Notonthestairs · 10/08/2022 09:26

Tory donors own the majority of the newspapers, Sky, Times radio etc etc.
The BBC & Ch 4 are under constant threat for not towing the party line.
I honestly don't understand what the Conservatives are moaning about.

AndreaC74 · 10/08/2022 09:28

SueSaid · 10/08/2022 09:11

'He can only take the credit along with the blame for the backlog in the first place. Both happened on his watch'

The pandemic was his fault? The massive surge on the nhs was his fault? Wtaf.

Pandemic clearly wasn't, response, T&T and PPE debacles... yes all on his watch.

NHS - mmm well underfunding it for the first 10 years wasn't a great idea and whilst he wasn't PM.

BJ takes credit for the AZ vaccine, when most of the prep work on it was done long before he was PM, so by that measure, he must take some share of the blame for previous Tory government policies.

itsgettingweird · 10/08/2022 09:28

Janiie who drew up the nhs recovery plan?

AndreaC74 · 10/08/2022 09:30

Pre 2021, a two year wait for NHS treatment wasn't even a thing.

Its scandalous that with all we know know, he still insists on charging AHPs to train.

they really do not care.

L1ttledrummergirl · 10/08/2022 09:33

AdamRyan · 10/08/2022 08:56

I wish we could all heat our homes and cook our food on the burning hot shame that the Conservative party should be feeling right now.
👏

If we could find a way to harness it we would do all that and have energy left over. Maybe that's why the temperature is rising.

Re the backlogs, my sil is a nurse. Her hospital has apparently reduced its waiting lists but she's not sure how as her ward has been so quiet the nurses are being moved to different wards and having maybe six people to care for.
She never thought she would be wanting to be busy, she's getting her breaks and able to wee when she needs to. It's all very strange to her

countrygirl99 · 10/08/2022 10:36

I don't see s 2 year wait for surgery as a great achievement to shout about. When they've got it down to under 6 months we are starting to get somewhere. DS doesn't live in the UK. He needed treatment recently and his wait was a couple of weeks.
When he had an accident a few months and needed a couple of stiches it was 3 hours from accident to back home. And nearly hour of that was travelling. When my FIL was taken to hospital a month ago he had a longer wait in the ambulance queuing to get admitted. He had sepsis.
So no, not impressed by 2 years and ambulances queuing outside a&e.

Blossomtoes · 10/08/2022 10:42

Truss can absolutely get to fuck trying to slate Gordon Brown. He showed a hell of a lot of economic leadership during the global financial crisis in 2008 and his actions cushioned us from the worst

Spectacularly tone deaf. Brown was one of the best chancellors - of any political colour - we’ve ever had. Any comparison to him is a real compliment. None of them can hold a candle to him.

mibbelucieachwell · 10/08/2022 11:32

@JaniieJones The number of people paying for private hospital treatment has shot up.

Private hospital treatment will become unaffordable for more and more people as the cost of living increases.

DuncinToffee · 10/08/2022 12:16

STORY: Liz Truss hints at cost of living U-turn as she could give Brits 'targeted help'

www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/liz-truss-hints-cost-living-27705090

DuncinToffee · 10/08/2022 12:27

There are sure to be more energy hand outs.

Hand outs Angry

These are not contracts given to mates.

itsgettingweird · 10/08/2022 12:32

DuncinToffee · 10/08/2022 12:27

There are sure to be more energy hand outs.

Hand outs Angry

These are not contracts given to mates.

Well if they didn't hand out multi million pound contracts to mates that couldn't deliver we may find our country had more money to support those in need.

itsgettingweird · 10/08/2022 12:35

And the energy isn't a hand out.

Every single person/ household in the U.K. will receive a reduced bill for 6 months totalling £400.

EVERYONE. Including those calling them handouts to try and hint it's for poor.

That £400 over half the year isn't even a 1/4 of what they expect it to rise by by January 2023.

the80sweregreat · 10/08/2022 13:12

Rishi sunak didn't call it a ' windfall tax' on the energy companies, but this is what is it that is paying the £400 to every household and was announced before he resigned.
It isn't the tax payers that are having to foot this particular bill. This is probably why they are reluctant to have more taxes like this as they don't want to upset the shareholders any more
The other payments for those on benefits etc ; I'm not sure who is paying for that unless it's also coming from the energy profits?
It's certainly welcome, but it won't touch the sides in January if the cap is going to be double what is currently.

itsgettingweird · 10/08/2022 13:19

According to Johnson as it was literally all he said for weeks of PMQs we can afford the extra payments for cost of living as part of the benefits package because of how fast we came out of lockdown and being the fastest growing economy in the G7.

So - actually - on reflection.

Who knows where it's coming from Wink

the80sweregreat · 10/08/2022 13:24

I remember RS being interviewed by someone on bbc ( can't remember who ) and he looked uncomfortable at the words ' windfall tax' because that was originally a Labour Party proposal. He talked 'round the houses ' ( as they do ) to try and big it up as something else entirely. The interviewer concluded that it was indeed a tax on energy profits.
Not too long after this he resigned.

DuncinToffee · 10/08/2022 13:24

the fastest growing economy in the G7

With only Russia beating us Wink__

DuncinToffee · 10/08/2022 13:36

Sunak talks a lot of bs, the other day he claimed that he came up with the idea of Freeports when he was on the back benches....

SueSaid · 10/08/2022 14:09

'EVERYONE. Including those calling them handouts to try and hint it's for poor.'

I'm not suggesting it is 'for the poor' I'm saying there are bound to be more payments to help everyone. Handouts isn't an insult.

You know the media really should stop all the scaremongering. It's like covid all over again, we'll need an 'energy board' at this rate.

No one can afford the ridiculous amounts the media are reporting. It's a shame they pushed Johnson out so we've had this leadership competition taking up time when they should be having press conferences with energy bosses and ministers to explain what is going on and what the plan is.

Blossomtoes · 10/08/2022 14:17

they should be having press conferences with energy bosses and ministers to explain what is going on and what the plan is.

They haven’t got a plan so that would be a tad difficult.