Jack monroe challenged on twitter

[KarlWrenbury]

Maybe by a sock puppet account Etc but yes- how are they still not making ends meet after all this time ?

For anyone defending Jack and agreeing with her that the latest Twitter thread is full of lies and smears, how do you justify this when everything noted refers to things she has actually written herself?
there are just too many inconsistencies and contradictions. Yet despite being backed into this corner, she claims it’s others who are at fault and have made stuff up?
I don’t understand her at all but unfortunately too many people are in some kind of cult-like thrall to her and believe everything she says, even when it doesn’t match or make sense, and worst of all feel the need to enable this behaviour through continued donations.

So if you're those things you can dispense with niceties like telling the truth? Ok then.
But keep the faith. She replies on true believers like you🙄

To me, if numerous medical professionals are telling an animal owner to PTS a very deformed, unwell kitten (and these observations/advice were made from tweets from JM, including I believe XRays, pictures and videos) then it is entirely the caring thing to do to listen to that advice, and not try and engage Noel the Supervet to take over the kitten's medical needs. JM was told by these professionals not to do certain things (such as getting the kitten to walk, or bathing the kitten) and continued to do so anyway, posting the respective content.

However, the kitten ended up dying in a bathroom alone and a monetised video was made. If you are telling me that at no point you have any qualms about the above behaviour, then fair enough, but to the many of us who have pets and have watched them endure short term suffering and made difficult decisions despite our hearts, this particular event was deeply troubling and upsetting.

I really do admire this positivity, but JM doesn’t do anything for her Patreons and hasn’t for a very, very long time (see complaints in that Twitter thread), hasn’t updated her own website and recipes for years, closed down her LTD company (was that to avoid tax? Who knows?), and has repeatedly contradicted herself on what she does with her appearance payments.

I admire some public figures too, and am always sad when a witch-hunt starts up, but we do also have a responsibility to truth, evidence, reality and facts. She can’t just “fake news” her way out of everything, particularly when she posts her entire life (and all inconsistencies) online.

@MineIsBetterThanYours
Ok, first of all if one self employed person is making £2100 a month they are not EARNING £2100 a month. She will have costs associated with running the Patreon alone for example, creating the recipes etc….

The Patreon hasn't been updated since November 2020 (though she's been receiving monthly subscription money despite this). What costs are you talking about?

@PollyDarton1 I agree with all that. I followed her on Twitter for a while. I soon started to spot huge inconsistencies in what she was saying. Then it became clear that some of it was flat out lies. She can be really vicious to people who question what she says in the smallest way.

Remember the “breast cancer scare”? She was begging for support and sympathy because she had a scan or mammogram and was found to be perfectly ok. She posted sadface pictures of herself in a hospital gown. It was absurd. She really does seem to thrive on all the “oh Jack hope u r ok hun xx” messages from her followers.

She’s diagnosed herself with ADHD, autism, unspecified mental health issues and arthritis. All very sad if true but she contradicts herself a lot when she talks about her health. I saw a blog recently exposing the inconsistencies behind some of her stories. She really does seem to be a grifter with an army of loyal followers who reject all criticism of her because of “the good work she does”. It’s true that she has drawn attention to food poverty, but she could do that without pretending she’s poverty stricken herself. Inability to manage money isn’t the same as living in poverty.

no, because its peoples opinions. I have followed JM for years, and I followed the thing with the kitten, and whilst i think i would have PTS, I dont blame someone for trying to give it a chance. Ive seen plenty of disabled looking pets that should probably be PTS, but arent. People are funny about animals. A friend of mine posted something yesterday about their friends dog that has some awful painful skin condition and in chemo and trying to raise money. I thought thats no life for a dog, but its not exactly an easy decision to PTS, and it was clear that JM was fixating on this kitten to make up for some other stuff in her life and was devastated when it died anyway. I know lots of people that are like this with their pets - often autistic people too. I didnt think that cat was at risk, and in the end nature just took its course. This is absolutely a legal and normal option. Most of the comments on this thread are so loaded and twisted, and some are just outright false. Its a pile on and its unnecessary and cruel
. Shes just one woman in the public eye. Just because someone is flawed, doesnt mean they deserve repeated character assasinations on mumsnet like JM seems to get. Ive seen it several times. I follow her on SM and ive bought her books, and Ive never once felt like keeping some sort of log-book where i can cross reference inconsistencies in her posts like some sort of deranged stalker or wonder how on earth she bought that coat if she tries to save money on shampoo. I guess its the sort of people that troll-hunt on here too.

@Branleuse
I didnt think that cat was at risk, and in the end nature just took its course.

You may not have thought the cat was at risk but the three different vets she took it to that all said it was too deformed to live did.

@Branleuse

You sound like you're in a cult. Seriously. The Narrative of St Jack the Poor Crusader is neither gospel nor unchallengeable. Pretty sinister that you and the other acolytes want any critical threads removed though.

I thought she found the Burberry coat in a puddle?

Just because someone is flawed, doesnt mean they deserve repeated character assasinations on mumsnet like JM seems to get. Ive seen it several times. I follow her on SM and ive bought her books, and Ive never once felt like keeping some sort of log-book where i can cross reference inconsistencies in her posts like some sort of deranged stalker or wonder how on earth she bought that coat if she tries to save money on shampoo. I guess its the sort of people that troll-hunt on here too.

It isn't just because she is flawed yada yada yada. It is because she is claiming to be something she is not and deliberately making money out of it.

It isn't troll hunting, it is exposing a scam. It is using the critical mind you are born with and asking questions before giving your devotion and support. It is protecting people who do not have a critical mind from being duped - whether or not they are thankful or grateful for that.

I do wonder why some people are determined to ignore the evidence from Jack's own mouth that she's a liar and a grifter. Do you lot think there's a reasonable explanation for all her lies or do you just not want to admit you've been taken in?

im not in a cult, in fact for the most part, I dont actually care that much, but I have seen so many pile on threads about JM over the years and I just think its bullshit and bullying, so this one, im actually sitting and responding to stuff.
People are making stuff up and theyre exaggerating other stuff.
A cat that should have probably been PTS was kept alive a bit longer and died naturally in her arms, but on mumsnet, that cat was practically murdered by her. Forced to walk. all the vets in the world collectively told her that she MUST euthanase it, but because shes such a liar and so evil, she laughed and did a social media video about it. You know she actually got death threats about it from trolls. Even people asking me why im not concerned on here, while admitting they never followed her

Of all the people doing shit things out there, this is really who you want to bring down?

🤣
Did she actually claim that??!!

is ADHD not a neurodiversity anymore?

Im all for formal diagnoses when appropriate, but the first stage of that is generally self diagnosis. Its not a disease. Its something you come to realise

Then she owes it to the genuine ND adults that seem to idolise her to NOT play on it to gain sympathy and payouts.

That was the Burberry scarf. Unless she found her Burberry coat(s) in puddles as well.

@Branleuse There is no such thing as self diagnosis 🙄

She definitely claimed to find some designer garment in a puddle yes, although it may not have been the coat, it was bonkers.
There was also last weeks paddling pool nonsense which now can't have happened as she was under blankets.
It's blatant, outright lies about everything.
The bizarre thing is that she claims its impossible for her to lie because of her fantasy autism.
I've seen her say it on Twitter, all of it.
It's hard to keep up with her Bullshit.

I was one of the original kick-starter funders. I didn't have issues getting my book the way some people did but I did believe she was poor and bought other books because of that. Jack blocked me on twitter a couple of days ago because I said I wasn't comfortable with someone comfortably off going on TV to talk about fuel poverty

She then made a snide dig about me paying her rent and bills and then tweeted me screenshots of her bank accounts and blocked me after that

OK. We have someone who gets their hair done at toni and Guy and who has a designer puppy. Who lives in a three bedroom house and who recently went on a mini break to Venice and to Holland but she's poor? She wears Tiffany earrings but she's poor?

I couldn't care less how much she earns or what she does with her cash Im just sick of the constant woe is me. She has a much better lifestyle than millions of people as far as I'm concerned

Oh and you can't criticise her because she has PTSD? I have PTSD. Do you see other food bloggers behaving like this on twitter? Why can't she just get on with her job and her life?

I know someone who wrote one of those Christmas stocking filler novelty books a few years ago

They made enough money to buy a fairly nice flat in a fairly nice part of zone 5 London
from one book, sold during one Christmas period

there is no way on Earth JM hasn’t made enough from all the book sales to have either a healthy nest egg or property if they had wanted it

and I also can’t believe that having the relatively stable influences of family and 2 sensible LTR would have meant JM pissed the lot up the wall

it just doesn’t add up, and has ALL the hallmarks of classic grifter influencer bullshit

I'm curious as to why you are being so deliberately inflammatory regarding people posting literally the facts of an event that was well documented on SM. Nobody has claimed JM cackled or rubbed her hands together with glee, it's instead dramatic hyperbole that you're adding to the several stories now of what people witnessed.

I'm unsure as to why people can character assassinate whoever they please on MN (Celebrities, husbands, sisters, mothers et al) yet you have a particular annoyance with those of us who have witnessed the constantly shifting narrative of JM who has arguably benefitted financially from these stories.

By all means believe what you want, continue to support who you choose, but people are entitled to an opinion, as are you. People are responding to you because you are responding to them. We don't all have to agree. This is a discussion forum where people discuss topics - and is no different to a user posting about their husband being shit and receiving a chorus of LTB. The only difference is in this case, the husband rarely has an opportunity to present evidence. The literal stacks of evidence of inconsistencies, poor public behaviour, rude and aggressive tweets, dog piles when someone dares question the narrative is all part of why I and other people, either rightly or wrongly, have based an opinion. At what point do you believe someone is 'deserving' of questioning?

Poor mental health isn't an excuse for these behaviours. Especially when these conditions are largely self diagnosed and are pulled out to mitigate potential fall out. Donate to JMs PayPal, tweet your support, but it's OK to both align politically with JM and also cast doubt on the narrative, and fear vulnerable people are being exploited.

Having been the daughter of someone who suffered from it and experienced the exhausting drama of it, maybe this whole thing is more about NPD?

She is a bit Amber Heard...completely full of shit and playing the victim.

Also - of course ADHD is a ND. But unlike most people, JM weaponises something that is undiagnosed to justify their behaviour or inconsistencies. Most people who suspect they have a medical condition do not add it to their Twitter bio like a badge of honour - they suspect, get a referral, may talk about it lightly and if diagnosed, probably talk about it some more. I have a MH diagnosis, and have delivered seminars and training on MH countless times in the past. I'm an advocate for MH awareness. What I don't do is a) tell everyone who will listen about it endlessly to excuse something I may or may have not done, and b) intertwine it so tightly with my identity that it prevents ordinary people from questioning my actions in case they trigger me to spiral.