Sunak vs Truss - Leaders debate

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Anyone watching?

Me too! I kept looking at her face trying to work out what exactly was disturbing me about her

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Is it just me that thought they were cardboard cut outs when the camera zoomed in on them at the beginning? 😂

omg me too! I had to rewind it a couple of times until I was sure that Sunak had flinched! It was creepy and downright weird 😂

No, quite sure they don't, and Truss is going to make it worse by fuelling mortgage rate rises.

Just watched the start again

They really do look like cardboard cut outs. But then Sunak's mouth moves.

Yes ,

Uncanny valley. well put! It was always going to Rishi Sunak. Has Ms Truss forgotten who she worked for?

I heard Rory Stewart on the radio today and I have to say he's the only Tory who I would ever consider voting for. God knows why he calls himself a Tory. He did say he wasn't backing either of these two.

They are both bloody awful...god help us all!

I've been watching The Decade the Rich Won about the decade 2010-2020 (BBC2, first shown in Feb).

There was a very illuminating comment IIRC along the lines that Theresa May thought the Tory membership had selected her to put be a clean break from their recent past – but actually she'd been put in because the rightwing Tory headbangers thought she'd be easy to control. (Presumably this is one reason they were so unbelievably personally nasty about her when she showed independent thought.)

I could absolutely see this being Truss as well.

Well, the easy to control bit. Don't know about the independent thought.

But essentially the rightwing of the Tory party weren't looking for someone to lead them, they were looking for a puppet.

Any minute now BoJo is going to pop up and say that, having seen the alternatives strut their stuff, he’s decided it’s best for the nation if he doesn’t resign after all.

What a shit show. Outrageous coverage by BBC and poor lines of questioning.

No idea why we are discussing people’s attire. Bizarre. And post debate 10’ news coverage criticised the fact they didn’t cover certain topics - when they chose the questions!

Ridiculous.

On balance though I am going for Rishi. Think the NI cut is a mute point from Truss as Rishi increased the threshold - so really this 1.5% is only significantly helping the rich. Yes it’s shit for the MC but would much rather pay that and extra corp tax than 7% interest on my mortgage.

Do any of you on here actually get a vote? Anyone going to admit to being a member?

Sunak came across terribly. He has always seemed calm and with a professional air before, but in this, he came across as a rude, shouty, arrogant man.

Liz Truss is a bit "uncanny valley" now that she has been obviously coached so much.

I did notice her voice is lower than before. I think Rishi has been coached too though. He seems to be channeling Blair, all dropping of Ts and estuary accent.

Give me Rishi any day, despite the interruptions. Social care is doomed if Liz Truss is PM, at least Rishi has a plan for social care, which has been spiralling further and further into crisis under Tory rule. Social care, which supports the most vulnerable in society, our disabled adults and elderly desperately needs rescuing.

The fact that Rishi had a GP and pharmacist for parents, both supporting poorly and disabled people is positive.

I don’t care what he wears and how wealthy he is.

The fact that Rishi had a GP and pharmacist for parents, both supporting poorly and disabled people is positive.

And yet he is particularly keen on selling off the NHS to private Investors. That makes me feel a bit sick.

Sophie Raworth too soft in questioning, which was no surprise. I hope Beth Rigby or Sophy Ridge next week ask some more difficult questions.

Some very good points ^

Reading some of the review articles in todays online press, I feel like we were watching a different programme. I suspect the 'reviews' were mostly written before the programme aired, after tip-offs from Chris Mason and Faisal Islam to journos about what would be asked of Uncanny Valley and Grinning Cardboard Cutout.

It's all so artificial.

The fact that Rishi had a GP and pharmacist for parents, both supporting poorly and disabled people is positive.

In what way, genuinely? It's not osmosis - I'm rubbish at diy despite my dad being a plumber and although I work third sector my kids are all aiming for high paid private sector jobs and don't really have any more empathy than other teens

Them looking like cutouts at the start was BBCs fault. They held that shot too long.

The first question was too long and obvious. Ask about something else.

Not sure Chris and Faisal added much to the programme.

Chris and Faisal should have done a 'Gogglebox' that we could watch using the Red Button. It would have been more entertaining that the actual 'debate'.

One point to remember, The Sunak family come from East Africa I think, so they are aware of real persecution. Even if several years after Idi Amin. The problems of Uganda and Kenya must be in their own inherent knowledge.
Running a local pharmacy is not a route to unimagined wealth is it? Even if enhanced by a GP salary.
The loot came later from inheritance or a marriage I think. Then his own marriage helped.

I say this on every political thread that I read and no one ever responds but I will keep on saying it because maybe it makes people think.
We do not have a democracy
The system we have is not designed to help us
The system we have is seriously flawed.
There are more choices of bread in a supermarket than their are political parties to choose from.
In a country of over 60,000,000 people this system as it is, will never work for us.
We need a new system based around proportional representation with more direct democracy.

Be careful what you wish for with electoral reform. For every hippy-dippy green party you get a far-right ethnonationalist one... All with disproportionate negotiating power for their pet issues that the rest of the country don't care about.

I'm a Tory party member and unsure who I'll vote for. TBH I wish the MPs would just select a leader - they're the ones who have to work with him/her after all. I don't like any hint of a presidential system / the leader having an independent source of power outside of parliament.

A nice what-if over breakfast @IdiotCreatures (I have replied in a similar way before.
Anyone could start a political party. We had UKIP and it did it's job according to it's own specification. But achieved no MPs. If we had had PR instead of FPTP I'm sure UKIP would have won seats. I am sure also that an ultra-Left party would have been formed.
What then?
large number of MPs from Tory and Labour.

Serious number of LibDems Perhaps similar number Scot Nata
Smaller number UKIP Similar number New Left Similar number Plaied Cymru
I guess Greens would vote New Left.
What then?