Opinions: Truss or Sunak?

[curiousitygotthebetterofme]

Apologies if there is already a thread on this! But I just want to see what you people think.

So we now know it’s down to Truss or Sunak, anyone have any idea as to who you think it might be in the final?

I had thought it may be Sunak, but then I read something that says the odds are actually in Liz Truss’ favour?

I hope it’s Truss tbh.

Thoughts?

Rishi Riche I guess. Someone needs to teach him the price of beans and he can swap cars with my crap one for photo opps if he learns how to pay. <wanders off whistling Common People>

I don’t care about your view. But when you purport your state facts, they need to be true.

Angela Merkel should not be insulted by being compared to Liz Truss, or indeed Rishi Sunak.

So what? Why does that matter? No one individual can have experience which reflects all the diverse parts of this country or expertise in all the matters government is involved in. What matters is whether they have the ability to get across unknown areas and manage them.
starmer seems to have very significant limitations on that regard. Blair could transcend the limitations of a legal background. Starmer all too obviously cannot.

Decent punnery for both kind
FISHY RISHI
TOO SUNAK
SUNAKERED BRITAIN
MISTRUSS
TRUSS NAE FUCKER
TRUSS HERNIA
Makes no difference to me personally, I always vote labour.

mind not kind

I hope Truss gets it. She's woeful and will be a gift to Labour.

This. I don't think Sunak will last long either though. The issue is not his personal wealth per se but the idea (that he has done nothing to dissuade anyone from believing) that he has no clue how most people have to survive at the time of a cost of living crisis when he is in charge of policy making. If he makes decisions that help wealthier people whole doing nothing for low and middle-income households it will look like he is just helping out people like him.

Interesting that no one had an issue with other Tory (or even Labour) leaders going to Eton/Harrow/Oxford/Cambridge etc....but Sunaks background/wealth is all of a sudden an issue? Double standards much?

Oh come on.

Okay, a depressingly high percentage of the UK population will always be in thrall to any halfwit with a plummy public school accent, but many people have have written and spoken about the fact that a ridiculous number of former PMs and front benchers have arrived where they are via the Eton/PPE at Oxford route.

A 1p tax cut won't make much difference to the low paid. A rise in the tax free allowance would make far more sense.
The cost of living is the biggest issue facing househols at the moment and should be the priority.

Nah.

Despite what MN thinks the next election will be decided on matters to do with the cost of living. Not trans issues.

Loath Truss but can't trust a multi-millionaire doing his rich friends dirty work.

I agree although Truss has been terrifyingly provocative about the Ukraine conflict.

I just can't get over that video of Sunak as a young man saying in such a goady way that all his friends are either aristocrats or upper middle class...

@Festoonlights
Starmer thinks women have penises. He is unelectable until he is able to figure out basic biology.
Laughable nonsense.

Starmer thinks women have penises. He is unelectable until he is able to figure out basic biology.

I agree.

Comforting post,,.

Exactly that. A lot of people are feeling the pinch already, give it another couple of years - if they last that long - and very few people will have the bandwidth to give a shit about it.

But as a test of character - and Starmer repeatedly puts his own character in issue - it’s telling, no?
particularly his attempts to dance round the question and evade the central issue. Trying to please work irreconcilable viewpoints, and he thinks lawyerly wordsmithing does the job. This is both stupid and contemptible.

I think perhaps you under-estimate the capacity of women to care about other women and also children. When these issues are brought into the light they react quite strongly. We can be sure whoever wins for the tories will shine that light quite relentlessly, and Labour is I’ll equipped to respond.

I don't disagree and would never vote Tory based on this. There are varying degrees of bad though.

I think you under estimate how all consuming the need to pay your bills, feed your kids and heat your house is when inflation is ripping away and your wages are buying less and less every month. That will be your primary concern when you vote. You’ve heard of Maslow’s theory of needs? Where do you think that fits into that hierarchy? We’re heading for economic catastrophe, ideology will be a luxury few can afford.

Absolutely agree. People underestimate the strength of feeling that women and some men have over this. If you cannot correctly recognise or describe who your potential voters are then you don’t deserve their vote.

Labour have seriously let down the working classes so stop blaming the Tories all the time.

Rishi green card Sunak is smarmy and reminiscent of the ghastly Blair, he’s not really been a conservative throwing away money in such a manner that he’d put Corbyn to shame.

Of the two, I’d have to choose Truss who does understand what a woman is at least.

I really dislike Truss talking down the state secondary that gave her an education good enough for Oxford admission. But generally I think she’s the better of the two. I’m not keen on her tax cuts but I’m even less keen on Sunak sticking to budgets set when inflation was 3% after it rises above 9. I think he screwed up on covid loans and wasn’t he also fined for attending the DS parties.

plus Truss is hilarious at times, I put the cheese clip on to cheer myself up.

Hopefully we’ll get a GE soon and some adults might come forward. Do hope Johnson runs in Uxbridge again, would love to see him lose his seat.

For a Labour victory next time, Truss.

For a (just possible) Tory one, Sunak.
The ‘rich’ business doesn’t bother me. Unlike so many of them, I doubt that he’s in it for personal gain. He really doesn’t need to.

Labour have seriously let down the working classes so stop blaming the Tories all the time

Labour hasn’t been in power for 12 years. It’s common sense to blame the party in power, surely?

Both are bad, but Liz Truss is the better option because in my opinion Rishi Sunak doesn't represent the general British public. He is an extraordinarily wealthy, privileged individual who has never had to work a day in his life: he's a hobbiest politician! Went straight from private school, to the cosseted world of Oxford University and then straight into the world of banking and investment where he mixes with the worlds richest. How can he possibly identify, sympathise or empathise with the majority of the UK population? We need a leader who has a sound economic understanding, but they also need to have a varied life experience and be able to have a shred of understanding about how 'the other half live' which he obviously doesn't.

Liz Truss seems a bit misguided and seems to speak before she thinks at times, but far more normal and a bit more approachable. And she's taller than Rishi!

Let's hope the Tories are seen for what they are before long and we can get rid!

Thank you for your lecture on what I will and don’t be caring about come the next election. If the Labour Party had a magic wand to make the economic problems go away, your argument might be persuasive. Given they don’t - indeed outside catering for their client groups and the madder fringes of identity politics they seem to have no ideas at all - I might be tempted to stick with the people who aren’t on the run from biological reality (which is not, contrary to your assertion, ideology).