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Ukraine Invasion: Part 29

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MagicFox · 18/07/2022 08:11

Welcome all, part 29

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Ijsbear · 19/08/2022 19:19

really not a problem!

@DownNative Ijsbear does this round up every morning and occasionally, more during the day. She is a Ukraine war news agency all by herself.

LOL!

I just look at the Telegram channels, which I happened to use anyway after a bad patch with whatsapp. The Ukrainians (and Russians) use it a lot so it was easy to join the two main channels.

They do seem to get the news published first of all! I pick out the stuff that seems the most important in terms of politics, attacks, things that might affect future trends etc.

OwlsDance · 19/08/2022 19:51

Ijsbear · 19/08/2022 17:58

Given how the Russian figures are, to put it mildly, being massaged according to most economic observers, I wonder what the true figures are. These are bad enough!

One question, "Gas and oil tax revenues fell by 23%," ... but overall gas and oil revenues are significantly up?

Yeah, it's pretty bad. Russia has a "Wellbeing fund" of 12tn, which it intends to use for any shortfals. Given they've used up nearly a trillion in a single month, when unemployment hasn't quite hit, it very much looks like they might run out of money by this time next year.

When I watched the analysis, there's two main reasons for reduced tax revenue from hydrocarbons.

First, it's them messing with gas supplies to Europe. If you remember, they kept turning the vent down on Nord stream, making it out it's due to technical difficulties.

Second, ruble is very strong at the moment, which is not a good thing for export. Gas/oil is being sold for currency, so when they are converted into ruble equivalent, they don't get as much. They are trying some things to weaken it, but it's not working very well.

MagicFox · 19/08/2022 20:20

Slight sidestep but I can't believe the reaction to Sanna Marin dancing. We live in a world of horrible misogyny ruled by egotistical men. You'd think she'd invaded a country or something!

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Ijsbear · 19/08/2022 20:23

Given they've used up nearly a trillion in a single month, when unemployment hasn't quite hit, it very much looks like they might run out of money by this time next year. :o

Wow.

Seems slightly ironic that the rouble is so strong! I wonder how the woman who's the chief of the bank is coping ...

Owls, any idea what Putin might do about the finance? he must be getting desperate; Crimea attacked, war stalled, finances draining, people discussing stopping Russian visas

MissConductUS · 19/08/2022 21:08

This is a pretty good discussion of what's going on with the ruble.

The artificial strength of the Russian ruble

Keep in mind that the ruble is not really convertible these days. Very few people will exchange pounds, dollars, euros, etc for them.

Ijsbear · 19/08/2022 22:40

Thanks.

raises eyebrow at her own host-country

www.netherlandsworldwide.nl/visa-the-netherlands/schengen-visa/apply-russian-federation

Short stay visas are not possible. You can however apply for a long-stay one but imo it'd not be easy.

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blueshoes · 19/08/2022 22:47

Perhaps the Netherlands long stay visa is intended for Russians with a reason to flee persecution short of asylum. Netherlands is prepared to take a longer look at those but not shut the door entirely.

I wonder what the UK is doing.

blueshoes · 19/08/2022 23:43

MissConductUS · 19/08/2022 21:08

This is a pretty good discussion of what's going on with the ruble.

The artificial strength of the Russian ruble

Keep in mind that the ruble is not really convertible these days. Very few people will exchange pounds, dollars, euros, etc for them.

@MissConductUS thanks for the link explaining what is holding the ruble up. I figured there would be something artificial in the mix as I would expect no less from Putin. It seems strange that Russia introduced capital controls at the start of the invasion to prevent the ruble going into freefall and now the ruble is so dangerously high that lifting capital controls does not affect it. Russia can buy stuff but many countries won't sell to them due to sanctions and whatever little (other than oil and gas) that Russia exports to countries willing to buy is more expensive to those buyers and converts to fewer rubles in Russia.

Russia has an internationally respected central banker Elvira Nabiullina who looks neat as a pin and wears nice suits. Wonder what she makes of the situation that Russia is in. She must feel like Russia's economy and currency have gone through the looking glass.

Ijsbear · 20/08/2022 00:37

She tried to resign and wasn't allowed to. She must be a really interesting person.

blueshoes · 20/08/2022 01:16

Yes, and quite modest too. Married to an academic and drove the same car apparently for years.

Compared to Shoigu, not a yacht in sight. I imagine she sees herself as serving the Russian people.

OwlsDance · 20/08/2022 10:36

Ijsbear · 19/08/2022 20:23

Given they've used up nearly a trillion in a single month, when unemployment hasn't quite hit, it very much looks like they might run out of money by this time next year. :o

Wow.

Seems slightly ironic that the rouble is so strong! I wonder how the woman who's the chief of the bank is coping ...

Owls, any idea what Putin might do about the finance? he must be getting desperate; Crimea attacked, war stalled, finances draining, people discussing stopping Russian visas

I'm not sure how much Putin is involved into finance side. Unlike the rest of politicians, the people in charge of the finances seem to know what they're doing.

I can't imagine what he's thinking. He's got himself and the country into such a hole, there's no way he can dig himself out.

Putin doesn't have a smartphone. So he doesn't have access to any proper information. All info is presented to him in printouts in a neat folder. How much he's being lied to is anyone's guess...

Ijsbear · 20/08/2022 11:24

Well .... one imagines that no one really likes to tell him that the war is going very badly! It's thought that he cherrypicked the info about how Ukraine would respond to an invasion, isn't it?

ISW Takeaways

Recent Ukrainian strikes on Russian military and transport infrastructure in Crimea and Kherson Oblast are likely reducing Russian confidence in the security of Russian rear areas.

The situation at the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) remained relatively unchanged on August 19 despite Russian claims that Ukrainian forces would stage a provocation at the plant.

Russian authorities are likely preparing show trials of Ukrainian defenders of Azovstal on Ukraine’s Independence Day in order to further consolidate occupational control of occupied areas of Ukraine and set conditions to demoralize Ukrainian troops.

Russian forces conducted limited ground attacks north of Kharkiv City, southwest and southeast of Izyum, east of Siversk, and south and east of Bakhmut.

Russian forces conducted multiple unsuccessful ground assaults on settlements on the Southern Axis.

Russia continues to generate regional volunteer units and will likely deploy many of them to Kherson and Ukraine’s south as part of the 3rd Army Corps.

Russian occupation authorities are strengthening their control of educational infrastructure in occupied areas in preparation for the approaching school year and may be sending Ukrainian children to Russia as part of a broader repopulation campaign. [if your women don't want 10 kids each, steal them eh?]

[About the Crimea:
Reports from August 18 about Ukrainian strikes are affecting the Russian information space despite the fact that these reports were likely overblown. Available open-source evidence indicates that Ukrainian forces did not conduct a successful kinetic attack against either the Stary Oskol Air Base in Belgorod or Belbek Air Base in Crimea on August 18. Geolocated footage shows that a fire started at a field just south of the Stary Oskol Airfield (rather than at the airfield itself), and satellite imagery shows Russian forces transporting ammunition and military equipment to a forest close to the field.[1] An unspecified Russian Zaporizhia Oblast occupation official reiterated that Russian air defenses near the Kerch Strait Bridge activated against a Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) rather than an incoming strike.[2] There is no visual evidence of damage to either air base of as August 19. Geolocated footage shows no explosions or evidence of kinetic activity near the Belbek Air Base overnight on August 18-19, lending credence to claims that footage reportedly showing the explosion is recycled footage misattributed to the Belbek Air Base.[3] As ISW reported on August 18, Russian sources largely reported on and disseminated these false or exaggerated reports, indicating broader Russian panic.[4] .... Ukraine’s Center for Strategic Communications (UA StratCom) reported on August 19 that Russian forces are not in control of the situation in Crimea as evidenced by the blocking of the Kerch Strait Bridge and activation of air alarms in Sevastopol for the first time since the start of the invasion

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⚡️Britain: Russia has no moral right to sit at G20.

⚡️Barros: Ukrainians targeting Russia's logistics to regain control of Dnipro River and Kherson Oblast.
Russia prepared for Ukraine's southern counteroffensive and bolstered its defenses with units and heavy equipment, leading to Ukraine targeting supply centers that support Russian lines.

⚡️New York Times: Russia appoints new commander of Black Sea Fleet, Vice Admiral Viktor Sokolov (from report by TASS)

⚡️Ukrainian Air Force strikes Russian positions in southern Ukraine 11 times.

⚡️Member of Kyiv's Territorial Defense unit under investigation for illegal sale of arms.

⚡️Portugal opposes banning tourist visas for Russians.

⚡️ Explosion reported in Sevastopol in occupied Crimea.
A powerful explosion was heard near the Russian Black Sea Fleet's headquarters in the occupied Sevastopol at 8:20 a.m. on Aug. 20, according to Refat Chubarov, head of Mejlis, a representative body of Crimean Tatars.

⚡️ 2 more ships carrying Ukrainian grain depart Chornomorsk port.

⚡️ 4 Russian Kalibr cruise missiles shot down in Dnipropetrovsk Oblast.

❗️ Prior to the full-scale invasion on Ukraine, the Russians have prepared at least two puppet "governments" meant to be installed in Kyiv after capturing the city. One of them was stationed in Belarus and formed around Yanukovych*

  • Viktor Yanukovych is a former President of Ukraine, who was later stripped of this rank.

⚡️Germany has provided three more Gepards for Ukraine, according to the site of the German government. The government has also transferred eleven tracked M113 Armored Personnel Carriers and a thousand of MRes. Apart from that, the following items are currently being prepared for transportation:

  • Twenty 70-mm rocket launchers equipped with 2,000 missiles for them;
  • 1,592 missiles for 155 mm artillery;
  • 225 Vulcano missiles for 155 mm artillery;
  • 60,200 40 mm cartridges;
  • 30 MG-3 machine guns;
  • six forklifts;
  • 40 modernized anti-drone devices;
  • 12 Bergepanzer 2 armored repair and evacuation vehicles.

[Scholz has -very- far from exerted himself hard to support Ukraine but the German army is, for good historical reasons, not in a good state though Germany itself is one of the world's largest arms exporters].

💭 The Ministry of Defense of Ukraine is letting the invaders know that the ICEYE satellite purchased using the crowdfunded money is already used as intended
"We. See. You. Ukrainian people fundraised $20 mln to watch russian occupiers smoking negligently over the illegal Kerch Bridge.
As you know, smoking in public places in Ukraine is prohibited

🛰 Maxar company has taken new satellite photos of Zaporizhzhya Nuclear Power Plant located in the occupied city of Energodar. There are no visible significant traces of the recent shelling or damage of the plant or around it

Negotiations with Türkiye regarding the membership of Finland and Sweden in NATO will take place by the end of the month — Minister for Foreign Affairs of Finland Pekka Haavisto, according to Yle

📣 Bloomberg: The White House believes that the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, should attend the G20 summit in Indonesia, even if Putin participates [well that will be fun. If he goes, I hope that 3 squadrons of protective fighter planes accompany him].

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Ijsbear · 20/08/2022 11:28

Oh my goodness.

Did anyone realise there are claims that Putin is a paedophile? I'd seen it trending but thought frankly it was a disgusting and unacceptable slur á la Elon Musk claiming the Brit diver in the Thai cave rescue was a paedophile. But if anyone can access it ...

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/alexander-litvinenko-murdered-because-he-accused-putin-of-being-a-paedophile-a6824806.html

or

www.thedailybeast.com/alexander-litvinenko-was-killed-for-calling-putin-a-pedophile

(did John Sweeny or someone also include some information in a book?)

MissConductUS · 20/08/2022 11:42

@notimagain , according to this Ukrainian pilots are training on simulators to fly the A-10:

Exclusive: Inside Ukraine’s Secret Effort to Train Pilots for U.S. Jets

Time magazine is a reputable source. We'll see if they get them.

Natsku · 20/08/2022 11:49

MagicFox · 19/08/2022 20:20

Slight sidestep but I can't believe the reaction to Sanna Marin dancing. We live in a world of horrible misogyny ruled by egotistical men. You'd think she'd invaded a country or something!

The responses are absolutely ridiculous but it does amuse me that this is the level of political scandal in Finland - we have baby scandals rather than full grown serious scandals that other countries have Grin

MissConductUS · 20/08/2022 12:20

And speaking of Finland, this made me smile.😊

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blueshoes · 20/08/2022 12:32

Natsku · 20/08/2022 11:49

The responses are absolutely ridiculous but it does amuse me that this is the level of political scandal in Finland - we have baby scandals rather than full grown serious scandals that other countries have Grin

I was thinking about the shenanigans that the Tories and Republicans (and I am sure many more else) and thought Sanna wasn't doing too badly, if dancing and having a life was even a bad thing.

It is a typical sort of attack you would expect a misogynist to level. Did not bother to read any comments as they would be depressing and all too predictable.

What is the term you use when you criticise someone in a way that could be seen as vaguely acceptable but used as a cover for your real agenda which is completely unacceptable i.e. race or gender or sexuality

blueshoes · 20/08/2022 12:51

MissConductUS · 20/08/2022 12:20

And speaking of Finland, this made me smile.😊

😂

ScrollingLeaves · 20/08/2022 13:00

@MissConductUS nductUS · Today 12:20
And speaking of Finland, this made me smile.😊

Me too. Thank you for that.

notimagain · 20/08/2022 13:14

MissConductUS · 20/08/2022 11:42

@notimagain , according to this Ukrainian pilots are training on simulators to fly the A-10:

Exclusive: Inside Ukraine’s Secret Effort to Train Pilots for U.S. Jets

Time magazine is a reputable source. We'll see if they get them.

Thank you..meanwhile from last moths AVweb..

www.avweb.com/aviation-news/air-force-may-give-a-10s-to-ukraine/

Really will be interesting to see what they get......

blueshoes · 20/08/2022 13:16

[About the Crimea:
Reports from August 18 about Ukrainian strikes are affecting the Russian information space despite the fact that these reports were likely overblown. Available open-source evidence indicates that Ukrainian forces did not conduct a successful kinetic attack against either the Stary Oskol Air Base in Belgorod or Belbek Air Base in Crimea on August 18. Geolocated footage shows that a fire started at a field just south of the Stary Oskol Airfield (rather than at the airfield itself), and satellite imagery shows Russian forces transporting ammunition and military equipment to a forest close to the field.[1] An unspecified Russian Zaporizhia Oblast occupation official reiterated that Russian air defenses near the Kerch Strait Bridge activated against a Ukrainian unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) rather than an incoming strike.[2] There is no visual evidence of damage to either air base of as August 19. Geolocated footage shows no explosions or evidence of kinetic activity near the Belbek Air Base overnight on August 18-19, lending credence to claims that footage reportedly showing the explosion is recycled footage misattributed to the Belbek Air Base.[3] As ISW reported on August 18, Russian sources largely reported on and disseminated these false or exaggerated reports, indicating broader Russian panic.[4] .... Ukraine’s Center for Strategic Communications (UA StratCom) reported on August 19 that Russian forces are not in control of the situation in Crimea as evidenced by the blocking of the Kerch Strait Bridge and activation of air alarms in Sevastopol for the first time since the start of the invasion

Shucks. At least the explosions at the Saki Airbase and ammo dump near Dzhankoi and today's kamikaze drone strike at Russia's Navy HQ today (yay!) in Crimea are real.

WSJ today: Drone Hits Headquarters of Russia’s Black Sea Fleet in Sevastopol. Crimea. The incident highlights Russia’s vulnerability in an area that has served as a stronghold for its occupation of Ukraine’s south coast. The Russian-installed governor said on Telegram that the drone “flew onto the roof” of the building. He later issued what he called a clarification, saying the drone fell on the roof and caught fire after being shot down by Russian air defenses. Hmm

Ijsbear · 20/08/2022 13:29

It's okay, there seems to be a nice little fire there now

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
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5h
Large fire near the airport in #Sochi. According to preliminary information, storages caught fire.

(mind you the photo looks a bit odd to me?)

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blueshoes · 20/08/2022 14:01

notimagain · 20/08/2022 13:14

Thank you..meanwhile from last moths AVweb..

www.avweb.com/aviation-news/air-force-may-give-a-10s-to-ukraine/

Really will be interesting to see what they get......

Interesting. Thanks for both links, @MissConductUS and @notimagain .

Just watching videos on youtube of the A-10 'Warthog' or 'Cannon with Wings'. What a beaut .. the sound ... I can imagine infantry hearts soaring at the deafening snort of a warthog cover from above with the equal and opposite effect on the army on the other side.

But from what I read the A-10 is practically obsolete in a modern warfare world of anti-aircraft systems. More than its aircraft, Ukraine cannot afford to lose its trained pilots.

I can see how these Ukrainian non-pilots voluntarily banding themselves together with other Ukrainians and retired American A-10 pilots to train themselves on flying the A-10 using virtual reality simulators might be the plucky action to persuade the US to give Ukraine some of its fleet of aging Warthogs. I guess these pilots are dispensable Sad as are the aircraft so hope that is enough to make them successful in their quest. They want to do all they can now, heroes, even before the aircraft are promised (if at all) as the training period for a pilot is so long and expensive.

Ukraine itself wants more modern aircraft like the F-16 which makes sense. They want their trained pilots safer and effective.

blueshoes · 20/08/2022 14:08

Ijsbear · 20/08/2022 13:29

It's okay, there seems to be a nice little fire there now

NEXTA
@nexta_tv
·
5h
Large fire near the airport in #Sochi. According to preliminary information, storages caught fire.

(mind you the photo looks a bit odd to me?)

Interesting. Sochi is in Russian territory. Isn't that where the winter Olympics was held.

Natsku · 20/08/2022 14:32

blueshoes · 20/08/2022 12:32

I was thinking about the shenanigans that the Tories and Republicans (and I am sure many more else) and thought Sanna wasn't doing too badly, if dancing and having a life was even a bad thing.

It is a typical sort of attack you would expect a misogynist to level. Did not bother to read any comments as they would be depressing and all too predictable.

What is the term you use when you criticise someone in a way that could be seen as vaguely acceptable but used as a cover for your real agenda which is completely unacceptable i.e. race or gender or sexuality

Don't know the term but it is fitting.
She's done a drug test now just to prove she's not been taking drugs while technically on duty. The more positive comments are about how she was just doing what a normal woman her age does - I'm her age and I can't party like that any more! Got even more respect for her now that she can do her demanding job and still have energy to dance.

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