Kate and Pippa Middleton

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I'm reading about Pippa's new £15 million home and another pregnancy. I am sure both sisters are lovely people but looking at their lives, it seems like neither ever had any intention of working and used school and university to get themselves mixing in affluent circles to bag a wealthy man to fund their lifestyles.
Do people like this still really exist? I know we all have choices but at times in my life when I have mixed in more affluent circles in university and London, men would spot gold diggers and women who would need to be financially supported a mile off and would not contemplate taking them seriously. I dont know any women who havent have some kind of career or any men that want someone who hasnt worked.
is there anyone bringing up their daughters(or sons) like this in this day and age? would you bankroll them if it all went wrong? just curious.

If I want my dc to reach the top echelons of society what do I need to do mumsnetters?!!!

@Onborrowedtime @Youcansaythatagainandagain

Yes. Personal knowledge. There is a reason he didnt get married until he was older.

3 children in that circle is a statue symbol as they can afford to send all to private schools and support them in the future. And fuck the carbon footprint they will have.

There are plenty of men like him who know that they have women desperate for the lifestyle they can offer. But with that lifestyle comes sacrifices and drawbacks,which pippa and others are happy to make. I wouldnt encourage any child to be so dependant and not have your own source of income.

@Secretsafe what exactly is so wrong with him? Not a nice man is rather broad...

A quick google showed his name was implied in a blind gossip article.
Many of these 'blind' gossips articles are thrown around when if ever something remotely appears about someone, they claim to have had 'inside' knowledge and have been the first to say something.

Who knows if any of it is true. 50/50 probably.

I agree. A lot of pressure on working Mums.

Now most women are doing far more than one job and many are doing two jobs. It’s a joke that women think their lives are better now.

I completely agree. We've been sold a joke. We can do everything and work 37 hours a week outside the home as well. What a prize we won.

Remember Kate originally accepted a place at Edinburgh

Link?

Because this sounds like the same sort of invented bollocks as the assertion she had a poster of him on her wall when at boarding school.

Literally all of this is bollocks
(other than the part time job, which was for Jigsaw, and she left because she was being stalked by papps every time she arrived at the office)

the idea that her school would make her write an apology letter is the cherry of bullshit on the truffle of nonsense

Kate's career advisor confirmed that she accepted an offer from Edinburgh, only to pull out rather late in the day and take a 'gap year' and then apply to St. Andrew's. We can speculate as to her motivation, but I don't think there's any doubt that she had originally intended to study at Uni of Edinburgh.

www.hellomagazine.com/royalty/20210407110415/kate-middleton-changed-university-decision/

@TheWheeledAvenger
yes I remember this. I was at university at the same time (not in Scotland) and I also remember the newspapers at the time saying that a suspiciously large number of female students had switched or tried to switch to St Andrew’s when the news broke that PW was going there - it wasn’t just Kate 😂

Pp are being weirdly forelock-tugging towards the Middletons.

St Andrews is a very normal, ordinary university. It's a good university but not some super elite, only for the ultra-posh place. Most students are pretty middle class. Marlborough is a public school so posh but not out of bounds to anyone with money and reasonably bright children.

The Middletons' finances seem to be shrouded in mystery (in terms of tax returns) and I very much doubt Party Pieces ever made serious money. It's cool that Carole has her own business and she obviously works hard, but it's a small business with a handful of employees run out of a barn near their house, not some retail empire. Tons of middle class and working class people run small businesses.

School fees were apparently paid for by a combination of the dad's small inheritance, and Uncle Gary helping them out. The children worked summer jobs and lived in cheap shared accommodation. They went to a posh expensive school but they weren't of the wealthy elite themselves. It's very easy to get into posh clubs and restaurants even if you have no money if you know the right people, especially for girls. Lots of middle class families are just like the Middletons, scrimp and save to send their kids to private school so they'll make good connections. Impressive, but the Middletons were certainly not wealthy or elite until the daughters married wealthy elite men.

Would it be better to criticise older women as well? Or maybe just not bitch about other women at all and invent stories about their lives.?

Literally all of this is bollocks

Nonsense. I really don't understand why Kate stans think they can invent their own version of history.

The stuff about her dropping out of Edinburgh is on public record.

For all the praise Marlborough gets for being elite and posh they certainly don't seem to know the meaning of the word discretion! Remember when her fellow students sold stories about how she used to moon people all the time? Pretty vulgar (the selling stories, not the mooning).

The fashion student whose design Kate altered has spoken to the press about it loads and posed with her original design, so you can compare the outfit Kate was given (long see-through skirt with fuzzy sweater) with how Kate altered it (removed the sweater and pulled the skirt over her boobs to make it a mini dress).

That article doesn't say she pulled out unusually late, nor anything about meeting future flatmates (which she would have done only if she had actually arrived at the start of term, but that's not said either). Writing a B&B letter is utterly normal advice in those circs

I think t's become very embellished, especially as it seems to be sourced to a former school staff member speaking several years after the event.

Yes, she may have done it on purpose (as pp noted, there was a boom in St Andres applications as PW's planned attendance was announced before UCAS deadlines) or she may have done it, like hundreds of young people do every year, because another plan developed for the next year

Total lack of understanding.

I could have written your post. I have come to the conclusion, via feminism, that if I had my time again, I would do exactly what these women did. Echoing an earlier remark, they have bypassed feminism to win at life while those who embraced feminism don't look up again until they retire, if they are lucky to survive that long.

Echoing an earlier remark, they have bypassed feminism to win at life while those who embraced feminism don't look up again until they retire, if they are lucky to survive that long.

These women have presumably voted, lived independently, had sex outside marriage, worked without getting a man's permission and much else besides. All thanks to feminism.

There's a lot more to feminism than having a 'career'. It annoys me when women who enjoy all the hard won gains of feminism disparage it as something to 'bypass'. Would you be happy to 'bypass' all the other ways in which feminism has made your life worth living?

Agree

That’s the point I am making.

Calling other posters "utter bitches" is hardly feminist.

It's an objective fact that Kate altered another student's showcase because she wanted to walk the catwalk with her underwear on display in a see-through minidress rather than walk the catwalk wearing the ankle-length skirt and jumper she'd been given.

It's perfectly reasonable to speculate on Kate's reasons for drastically altering her costume, as this was something Kate did on a public platform. If any celeb did the same, people would question why.

What other possible reason, other than trying to catch William's attention, did she have for removing part of the outfit she'd been given and walking down the catwalk in visible underwear instead? The designer is on record (direct quote) as saying, "Kate must have really wanted that prince!" So the person most closely involved believes that's the reason.

The only person using the word "slut" is you. That word is not part of my vocabulary.

The only thing I'm judging Kate for is damaging another student's work (not damaging as in physically damaging). If you're paid to model then you wear what you're given. You don't just make major changes to a designer's outfit and to their vision because you want to.

As for revealing her underwear at royal events, I've never commented on that. You're the only person to have mentioned it! But it is objective fact that she's worn outfits that put her underwear on display numerous times. Once or twice is likely an accident (Diana had a similar accident with the sun shining through a skirt) but it's happened enough times that she obviously doesn't care about people seeing her pants. Coupled with all the reports from fellow students about her love of mooning, it's pretty clear that she has an exhibitionist streak. And so what? What's wrong with that? Personally I like it, it makes her more interesting. The only people using the word "slut" to describe having an exhibitionist streak are her fans, who seem determined to project a shy and modest persona at all costs. Why do Kate fans believe women have to be shy and modest?

Pippa has just done a Masters. As for Kate, she may have pots of money but being in the public goldfish bowl like she is, having every single move analysed wouldn't be for me. This is a horrible thread actually. Let's bash women.

You don't actually know that's true. I realise it's been doing the rounds for years but it's just another bitchy anti Carole Middleton comment isn't? For the record Carole comes from working class stock, set up a really successful business, and since Kate married she hasn't put a foot wrong. I think that's impressive actually.

Yes and I agree you would have to think your DD was several times more beautiful and PW was all kinds of dim to think you can artifically create a situation where she is put in the path of the future king and it's all hunky dory.

Not least because he would have alot of attention from pretty much everyone on campus.

I think the truth is more prosaic. She got into a course. Decided to take time out after a pretty intense final year at school for something more exciting (a gap year in Florence sounds good to me!) before studying something she loved at a different university. And the rest is history.

Yep. It was quite a spectacular own goal.