Yes Boris is a buffoon but........

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NC as I know I will get flamed and also because of opinions around me personally and the vitriol I know I will receive from my point of view. I wanted to know if there are others out there.

So....... First of all, I despise all the shit that has happened 're partygate / watching porn / groping and sexual misconduct massively. I think the Tories in general have been scrum of the earth, thinking they can get away with vile behaviour and thinking they are untouchable.

What I do think (which I know On mn is blasphemy) is that Boris is a great PM that has balls. He obviously lacks in other areas like keeping grown elected men and women in his party under control and not behave like horny teenagers on their first holiday! They are the ones I worry about, he may have been a soft touch boss but surely the party could see that and his strengths were elsewhere? The fact he didn't crumble when the odds were against him. The party are showing their true colours now and I hate the Tories but respect Boris more. go hate me

eating we have supplied armaments. A lot of them. That's really why they're pro UK. I was talking to a colleague in Ukraine and they really do think Boris is marvellous.

I think it was a too much to start a family just as he became PM. And still within the pandemic have a second. I think that was stupid. (I know this is a cruel idea that you delay a family for work reasons but really that’s life for most people)

@Gwlondon bless you. You really think that it was juggling involved fatherhood and being PM that affected his performance at work?

Boris’ involvement as a father ended as soon as he rolled off Carrie and went to sleep. He was also no doubt very happy to pop out a couple of sprogs for a bit of extra aaah factor to divert attention whenever his latest mistake was dominating the media. You do realise that Carrie had absolutely no need whatsoever to stand there during the resignation speech with the baby in a sling? The children are political accessories.

My (late) parents ran a small building company. They were exactly the audience Thatcher etc were pitching at. My mum in particular was a life long Tory supporter.

However when BoJo was standing for Mayor, for the one and only time in her life she changed alliances and voted Ken Livingstone, having previously been a critic of his. (He'd been in charge of the GLC and for a while had been an MP for Brent East where we lived at the time.) But she hated BoJo more! She died long before the 2019 election but i think she'd do the same and vote against him.

@Hrpuffnstuff1 again I don’t disagree with you. What I fail to understand is how any of the possible strategies to deal with those things are compatible with the values and aims of the current crop of tories. I just haven’t seen any evidence that any of them are particularly passionate about addressing long term problems, in fact quite the opposite.

The current contenders for leadership have all bought into the same policies over the past three years (or decade depending how far you want to go back), no one has come out with any earth shattering changes.

No not all, I run, have run a business pre and post-covid. I know exactly what's happening and just like businesses people are going to have to make changes and look for alternatives or stop some spending altogether. Some will have to make fundamental changes, life-altering.
The government will not subsidize indefinitely.
If Rishi takes the crown people will be begging for blow job Boris to come back.

This

I would be very surprised if Johnson is ND, he’s simply the entitled, amoral, lacking any kind of self-awareness or empathy and is laser focused on getting exactly what he wants, by any means possible.

I think narcissist or sociopath is more likely, but the latter is possibly a little too hyperbolic

Excusing Boris because he might be neurodiverse is appalling, OP. I have 3 DC, all are neurodiverse. None are lying authoritarian incompetent cheating scumbags.

This summarises better than I ever could everything that’s wrong with that odious man and the immeasurable damage he’s inflicted on our country. OP please watch and listen. No they aren’t all the same.

OP, of course you are entitled to your own opinion. However, I see no evidence of BJ being a ‘great PM’ or of ‘having balls’. I think a lot of people share similar views to mine, and not just people on MN. Sometimes, if you are in a minority, it may actually mean you are wrong!

For me the phrase "Boris is a buffoon" is enough. There is no but.

If boris had balls, why did he hide in a fridge and refuse to go on tv to be interviewed by GMB for majority of pandemic?

The man is weak and if your idea of strength is lying, cheating and not taking responsibility, then I would give your own value system a review

How are we defining "having balls"? Constantly lying? Lurching from scandal to scandal? Taking the trump approach to questions of say absolute hot air and a sprinkling of offensiveness?
The Boris character is exactly that, a character. He knows exactly what he is doing, despite all the oh whiff whaff scruffy hair nonsense he uses as smoke and mirrors, he is offensive, a liar and his moral compass left him along time ago, even before becoming pm, how is any of that "having balls?"
Also as someone who is nd, I fucking hate this constant swirl of whenever a man who's just behaving like a total twat and zero indication he's nd, you get people handringing oh maybe he's autistic or nd! Or maybe he's just a fucking twat.

This is why the U.K. is in the mess it is, people like the op making excuses for that lying piece of shit.

The Jeremy vine article is definitely worth a read - it exposes the calculated ‘buffoon’ persona perfectly. You only need to see the bulging eyes and red face at PMQs to see the real Johnson, seething when he’s questioned on anything vaguely uncomfortable and blatantly lying to the House

I’m not surprised you name changed to post that.

👏👏👏

I would not feel safe with Starmer if WW3 broke out,

This is ridiculous. Starmer is an educated man who has had a highly successful professional career. He went into politics (earning a fraction of what he could’ve earned at the Bar) and is known as one of the best detail men in Westminster. Does he come across well on TV? No, not really - he’s not a big “media personality”. Would he be on my list of top 10 people to go out with for dinner? Again, no. Would he be able to have a successful side hustle a la Johnson at making amusing speeches to rooms full of pissed up bankers at £50k per pop? Almost certainly not. But in the event of a national emergency, where you need someone to be on top of the detail and to work tirelessly in the interests of the country? Would I pick him over Johnson (who, let’s not forget, missed 5 (!) COBRA meetings at the start of the pandemic because he was on holiday, when the situation from Italy was becoming increasingly desperate day by day)? Any day of the week.

Exactly. Using that claim is terrible.

Yes Boris is a buffoon. No but required. Although buffoon is rather generous tbh.

Boris Johnson is a deeply unpleasant man who lies consistently, has no regard for anyone other than himself and has, along with his ghastly acolytes, trashed the reputation of this country. I cannot understand for the life of me how anyone can support him. When even China calls us out you know things are dire.

The Boris haters are unaware but people will rue the day he was bullied out of office.

The Conservative party will pay for their treachery in the next election, but the ones that will suffer the most will be be low income families and those on benefits/disabilities/relying on social care or anyone else that relies on public services.

Boris was a very moderate central PM - he was very Labour in his plans and policies ( you could hardly tell him and Tony Blair apart) the next leader will be Maggie Thatcher on steroids and extremely conservative. They will be delivering purely for the Tories in the next few years (in order to stay in post and not be bullied out) They are going to slash and burn as much as possible, and will reverse the spending plans he had and deliver tax cuts instead.

Those celebrating on here will be eating their words this winter - stuck with a nonentity PM that delivers only for the conservatives as they have no mandate to do anything else - no electoral majority to lean on. We are heading for a winter of severe austerity on top of the cost of living crisis now and levelling up will be the first thing to go. You screamed for this to happen every day, now it has been delivered you need to live with the consequences.

I totally agree

Thank goodness, a sensible post.🤗

@Provenceinthesummer Boris would have done the same because he was a hostage to too many factions in the party. And he didn't give a shit for anyone but himself.

Things will not get better until we get a different government.

Leveling up was a smoke screen, cancelling HS2 ? He couldn't define what leveling up was. Highest tax burden in 50 years , only one way txes will go. I'll quite happily live with the consequences , someone who knows what they are doing, has a plan and provides leadership to the government.

Then some meaningless platitudes about Britain having a golden future. The end.
I really believed that bit actually. BJ is an optimist. Starmer makes me feel bleak and that he doesn't include me in his speeches. BJ should never have been PM