Yes Boris is a buffoon but........

[Anotheronebitesthecheese]

NC as I know I will get flamed and also because of opinions around me personally and the vitriol I know I will receive from my point of view. I wanted to know if there are others out there.

So....... First of all, I despise all the shit that has happened 're partygate / watching porn / groping and sexual misconduct massively. I think the Tories in general have been scrum of the earth, thinking they can get away with vile behaviour and thinking they are untouchable.

What I do think (which I know On mn is blasphemy) is that Boris is a great PM that has balls. He obviously lacks in other areas like keeping grown elected men and women in his party under control and not behave like horny teenagers on their first holiday! They are the ones I worry about, he may have been a soft touch boss but surely the party could see that and his strengths were elsewhere? The fact he didn't crumble when the odds were against him. The party are showing their true colours now and I hate the Tories but respect Boris more. go hate me

I agree with this and am very concerned about who is coming in. Boris just shouldn't have lied so much. He knew there wasn't much risk with his parties, why didn't he let people have that right too and allow people to visit each other especially in hospitals?
And he shouldn't have lied so much! I think he still would've been pm if not for that.
I'm very concerned about who's going to come in next.
I'm grateful that Boris wasn't as authoritarian as some other leaders and am concerned about who comes in next.

Exactly, ND doesn’t mean expectations should be lower if that’s even the case at all. Ultimately the position of prime minister needs to have the ability to act as a statesman, negotiator and ambassador. If who you inherently are stands in the way of that then support won’t cut it on the international stage.

I don’t know whether a personality disorder would count as ND but I can see that in him.

My concern repeatedly shines through my post could use an edit.

I’m mystified by the plaudits around the response to the war in Ukraine. It’s hardly rocket science to support a country that has been invaded, along with most of the rest of the world.

On the other hand, I found it utterly sickening that he and other Tory politicians constantly referred to “the war” as a reason to deflect attention from Partygate and their myriad domestic failings. They were delighted that a convenient excuse had fallen into their laps.

Nosocomial transmission was the reason for banning people from visiting people in care settings. This is well established.
Boris or anyone else who were together regularly doesn't stop that fact from being true. Boris having a drink/party or whatever was happening wasn't the reason why people died, covid was the reason why people died.

Now I agree his sleaze or apparent lack of firm leadership is poor. However, sleaze has long been a problem in all organizations including corporate entities. Work events, parties, and office environments have long been a hotbed of manipulation and sleaze, it's endemic.
Then the economic issues, no party has control over supply chain bottlenecks, lack of raw materials, PCB shortages, increases in the shipping cost of a 1000%, or the war.

Changing the government leader or even a GE will do nothing for the economy, I believe giving more money away is not the answer.

What on earth is ND ?

Neurodiverse.
It's seemingly a new way to excuse Johnson's record as PM.

I think it’s an interesting exercise to think about your personal circumstances and find one element that is measurably better since 2019 if you want to identify how good a cabinet have been.

Even allowing for covid, I’ve got to say I’m struggling (and though I recognise it was a good thing I’m not in a household that received any form of furlough).

Neurodiverse - shorthand for autism, adhd etc

@Maireas ah thankyou, i googled it first and came up with a multitude of meanings.

Ukraine. We are not at war. Also any number of countries would have given them weapons, and probably do, but don’t make political capital out if it to save their PM’s skin.

Brexit. That’s so obviously shut it doesn’t need wasting time on explaining.

Vaccines. The fucking NHS staff did this not the fucking greased piglet. He was still shaking hands and having parties as he had so much “balls”.

Changing the government leader or even a GE will do nothing for the economy, I believe giving more money away is not the answer

I agree giving away money isn’t necessarily the answer but using it effectively might be.

It’s a shame that BJ’s government have relied very heavily on giving money away which is why I see the start of your statement at odds with the end.

One thing i have said to Tory supporters is name one thing that has improved since 2010 ?

I ve just spent 3 weeks in France, stacked supermarkets, needed parts for car (no issues & cheaper labour costs)
We needed AE - like private care here, after 3000 miles of driving - no potholes, very little litter and not much dog poo, plus most things cheaper than UK.... chicken apart, double UK prices :( but diesel 30p per litre cheaper, not least because they mirror the price of the wholesale markets.

Arrival back in UK, felt like we had returned to 1970s grubby Britain, everything felt old and the roads.... why the fuck to we put up with them???

oh and took over 2 hours to clear passport control, why? we ve gone backwards, no one was searched, nothing stopped, pointless gesture - Brexit, as i always said, puts UK back to the 70s.

@LadyWithLapdog you’re right- Boris was clearly desperate to channel his hero Churchill, so in his interest to blur the rhetoric to the extent that people do indeed start to behave as if “we” are at war. It’s bullshit.

Very much looking forward to reading these 🤣

Based on OPs comment, and number of children - his balls!

Not true, I was a card carrying Labour Party member until Tony Blair, so definitely not a Tory supporter.
i think all politicians lie. They are about self interest first.

@Charles11 you say you’re grateful Boris wasn’t so authoritarian as other leaders? Who do you compare him to? Because if you go by what he did you’ll find that starting with proroguing Parliament and lying to the Queen his whole leadership has been one of not giving a shit about rules and regulations.

Oh no Boris is not a Baffoon far from it . He is a devious clever chancer

One thing i have said to Tory supporters is name one thing that has improved since 2010 ?

I started with 2019 to be gentle but I agree.

That 2008 crash and subsequent austerity seems to have quietly just melded into the furniture of life.

his whole leadership has been one of not giving a shit about rules and regulations

Be fair, it’s also being about changing the rules to fit with how he’d like to govern.

Aside from all of the obvious reasons that have been stated to death this year on news worldwide, we cannot be formally represented by a man who is a laughing stock worldwide OP. I have family and friends in many different corners of the world and they all say the same. We need someone who can string a sentence together and who people look up to. When there is no trust, it’s over. That goes for politics, relationships, you name it. If this was your child and she was repeatedly lied to, you were all lied to, and no apologies were ever offered. Would you say ah yes but I really like that time we went out for the day and he entertained us with his stories? I like the time he cooked us a meal.
No you probably wouldn’t. You’d see him for what he was - a liar who cannot be trusted.

No one is all bad. It’s possible to have achieved good things but also be a liar who cannot be trusted.

When people wonder how on earth anyone can think this government was any good - this thread shows the convoluted and reality denying thought processes how and why people think BJ was a good prime minister.
BJ was an architect of brexit - it didn't happen "to" him. He was instrumental in making in happen - with no intention of dealing with the nitty-gritty of making it work for the ordinary person rather than the very wealthy who aren't really affected by its impacts. Or who benefit from it!

We aren't at war, the country is supporting a country that has been invaded, which many other countries are doing too, and its insulting to say we should have ignored partygate because of that.

The pandemic was the only genuinely unpredictable thing he had to face, and it was their bad policies that meant the country was so unprepared for it. But never mind their mates made a fortune so that's all ok!

And no they aren't all the same, they aren't all liars and kier starmer would at least try to implement policies that improve ordinary peoples lives rather than the polar opposite that the tories have done! Only beneficiaries of this govt are the already wealthy and cronies!

It's a broad statement, not a micro analysis.

People have oft asked why money was used to prop up the banks. The banks were always a good investment. This government has given away more money than any other in existence. The result is acceptance and expectation of this to continue by a large swathe of the population. The general pop has proven to be a poor bet on ROI. Has the gen pop been effective in its expenditures?
No-quite clearly they have not, and continue to resist changes in their spending habits.
Can the government launch into spending on infrastructure, no the materials are just not available right now, so they gave away the only commodity they have control over, money. It's failed and will fail without guidance.
My view is that our current way of living, particularly consumption is not sustainable. At the moment the government is nudging us through this realization, if we don't accept we will be forced to change.

@Cornettoninja yes, I should have added that he’s done what the f* he’s wanted. I don’t understand how people are willingly blind to this.

Can we also put to bed the myth that he’s some kind of master debater? Have you seen him being grilled a few days ago? When he doesn’t have a wall of braying sycophants he crumbles and is exposed for the pathetic scumbag he is.