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Boris Johnson and the long road to nowhere. 38 resignations and counting.... Thread 9

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Roussette · 06/07/2022 18:43

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Runnerbeansflower · 07/07/2022 07:41

If his MPs won't vote for his laws in Parliament then he can't do anything about it.

Most ministerial resignations in 24 hours in modern history! Now there's a record to (not) be proud of?

guinnessguzzler · 07/07/2022 07:41

@picklemewalnuts It really is bizarre, how can anyone like him now (although tbh how they could before, I don't know either). Definitely hoping for the damp squib (damp squid? 😂) exit.

Cornettoninja · 07/07/2022 07:42

Poor Boris, he's got so much on his plate and they're all pick pick pick nit picking at him. It's not fair.

people wholeheartedly believe this. I have to believe that they don’t understand that what they’re actually saying is that politicians shouldn’t be scrutinised and accountable.

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CredibilityProblem · 07/07/2022 07:42

AmaryIlis · 07/07/2022 07:29

Chris Bryant asked him a question at the Liaison Committee about whether he knew of any other allegations of sexual offences. I suspect it was aimed at that.

No I don't think that would have been about the rape case, it would have been about one of the many other accusations of sexual assault doing the rounds.

I looked back at the list of perpetrators from the 2017 scandal, and was shocked by how many there were and how many I'd forgotten.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_Westminster_sexual_misconduct_allegations#Conservative_Party_allegations

Runnerbeansflower · 07/07/2022 07:42

A damp squid exit would be entertaining!

Cornettoninja · 07/07/2022 07:44

it’s squib @guinnessguzzler. Apparently a squib is a small firework that fizzles a bit but never explodes.

stayingpositiveifpossible · 07/07/2022 07:48

Notonthestairs · 07/07/2022 07:31

"The dipping his hands in blood comment he made is chilling I think , it's not the words of the someone who has full capacity to continue to work"

It's exactly how Trump/Orban would play it. It's not an accident. It's intended to incite.

Out damned spot (Lady Macbeth)

picklemewalnuts · 07/07/2022 07:49

DH said after they got in last time, despite Boris's clear amorality, that a politician's private life shouldn't get in the way of them being a good leader.

I reminded him of that yesterday and he was surprised he'd ever said it!

I was disgusted when they got in, not because I'm anti Tory, but because I was anti Boris. He was clearly a duplicitous shit with a string of abandoned women and children behind him, and a current relationship that necessitated calling the police.

Everything he's done since is in line with that.

stayingpositiveifpossible · 07/07/2022 07:49

Runnerbeansflower · 07/07/2022 07:42

A damp squid exit would be entertaining!

Although a damp quid would also be interesting.

Bunnycat101 · 07/07/2022 07:49

It’s no really worrying. There are important decisions that have to be taken and government can’t function. I’d imagine Liz Truss and Ben Wallace feel they can’t resign even if they want to. Mod and foreign office seem to be the only departments without resignations.

stayingpositiveifpossible · 07/07/2022 07:50

or even a damp squid

DowningStreetParty · 07/07/2022 07:51

Yes. Hadn’t thought of it that way Cornetto. That’s exactly it.

This whole democratic threat, dragging down the markets and the pound by staying in post when he’s unwanted, it has nothing to do with the benefit of the country and people in it. It all goes back every time to Tory party Leadership struggles- they can’t not have them! That’s what we’re seeing now, that’s what enabled Brexit, numerous other Tory schisms historically.

The party’s longstanding propensity to sex scandals and sexual misconduct scandals don’t even make waves really in the Tory inner circles because Tories are always particularly vulnerable to those, with the male entitlement that they foster and attract culturally.

It’s always about the pursuit of power, being first among equals, and this is an example of how that ultra-competitive thinking between a tiny, select group of peers can take a whole country and economy down with it, and the super elite protagonists jockeying for position won’t even notice, let alone care.

They’re not behaving like public servants because they never were public servants. Its all about power and getting one over on someone else. Like the vindictive sacking of Gove shows, at a time when there is a national shortage of experienced Cabinet ministers.

Resignations in all the job categories are now up to 50 in less than 48 hours, I think.

ClaudineClare · 07/07/2022 07:54

I wonder if there is anything going on behind the scenes to find a way to get him out. A well placed spot of blackmail - I am sure the security services could cook something up. Then he resigns on health grounds.

ClaudineClare · 07/07/2022 07:55

They’re not behaving like public servants because they never were public servants. Its all about power and getting one over on someone else. Like the vindictive sacking of Gove shows, at a time when there is a national shortage of experienced Cabinet ministers

Totally agree.

medianewbie · 07/07/2022 07:57

guinnessguzzler · 07/07/2022 07:09

I think this was obvious. A man in his 50s who gets police called to his property over late night arguments with his partner, wine being thrown around etc is not in a stable place. Many of them aren't. I actually think they should all receive much better screening before they stand, counselling at point of election and far more robust mental health support throughout their time serving as MPs. It is a high pressure, very public role that people are often catapulted into overnight and which I'm sure attracts certain personalities more than others and many of them clearly do not cope well with it at all.

VERY WELL SAID !!!

powershowerforanhour · 07/07/2022 07:58

"And the resignation letter is particularly scathing - "The chaos at Number 10, the breakdown in Cabinet responsibility, the abandonment of the ministerial code, the defence of impropriety & defiance of parliament are insults to Conservatism" "

I really want one of the resignation letters to sign off with Boomshanka!

Igotjelly · 07/07/2022 08:05

52 gone. Now Technology Minister Chris Philp. Just over half the Government.

newnamethanks · 07/07/2022 08:06

I don't know if it would be possible to blackmail The Oaf. He seems utterly shameless. Look at what we know about him, countless sleazy allegations that would have anyone else - Tractor Man, for instance - scuttering off, too embarrassed to face anyone. Look at what he tolerates in others. I suspect the recent suspicions about being 'pharmaceutically challenged' could well be true. He'll go eventually but possibly not until every Minister has resigned and he runs out of people. Astonishing behaviour when he's got the example of how well it worked out for Trump who had far more support, in Party and in USA.

AmaryIlis · 07/07/2022 08:07

Lewis says he has resigned because he no longer believes honesty and integrity are values that are upheld at no. 10. I really want someone to ask him publicly whether he ever genuinely believed that, or whether the reality is that he simply closed his eyes to the facts because it was convenient to do so.

wandawhy · 07/07/2022 08:11

Does he think it even slightly possible to stand down force a leadership election, stand again and be re-elected?

Igotjelly · 07/07/2022 08:11

53, Court's Minister James Cartlidge

PuckeredArseFace · 07/07/2022 08:12

Igotjelly · 07/07/2022 08:05

52 gone. Now Technology Minister Chris Philp. Just over half the Government.

Fucking hell
I'm away at the mo with limited Internet, so just getting snitches of what's going on
52? Good God

AmaryIlis · 07/07/2022 08:12

Cornettoninja · 07/07/2022 07:42

Poor Boris, he's got so much on his plate and they're all pick pick pick nit picking at him. It's not fair.

people wholeheartedly believe this. I have to believe that they don’t understand that what they’re actually saying is that politicians shouldn’t be scrutinised and accountable.

People who say this must seriously believe that he forgot about being told that someone he proposed to appoint to an important post where he would be responsible for the welfare of others had a record for sexual assault. Even though the person in question is a man whose name must surely remind you every time you hear it. I just don't understand how they think that is remotely credible.

Cornettoninja · 07/07/2022 08:15

AmaryIlis · 07/07/2022 08:07

Lewis says he has resigned because he no longer believes honesty and integrity are values that are upheld at no. 10. I really want someone to ask him publicly whether he ever genuinely believed that, or whether the reality is that he simply closed his eyes to the facts because it was convenient to do so.

I’m banking on questions like this being asked once the dust has settled. No one is covered in glory here, this could have been prevented.

it also occurred to me yesterday that the silence from no. 10 has been deafening since a court found that sending people back to care homes from hospital in the first lockdown was illegal and they didn’t follow their own processes. This government as good as murdered people.

But they got all the big calls right.

CredibilityProblem · 07/07/2022 08:16

I hold no brief for Liz Truss but she's literally spent the last 18 hours en route to Jakarta via Dubai to represent the UK at the G20 - she touched down a couple of hours ago. She's the one member of government who has a cast iron reason not to resign or to say anything that would prompt him to sack her.

And yes, depending on what's going on behind the scenes at NATO, Wallace may legitimately be able to argue that there needs to be a competent minister in place to take urgent decisions that legally require ministerial sign-off. Not resigning but calling for Johnson to go would carry too high a risk that he'd be sacked.