Does racism only work one way?

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Not sure what I think about this really, but I can see it causing absolute outrage if it were the other way round.

Thank you for highlighting this. It is widely (by non racists) that these gangs targeted vulnerable girls. They didn’t target girls based on race.

The mistake people make is to go from noticing that the most privileged tend to be white men to thinking that this means that if you are a white mail then you must be privileged.

I think this is a something that people who don't believe in the concept of white privilege think people who do believe in the concept believe.

But it isn't what they believe. Because those who understand the concept of white privileged get that it's a very simple one:

White privilege doesn't mean a white person's life isn't hard. Terribly hard for many. It simply means that their race isn't something making it even harder.

That's it. It's pretty simple, no?

@AcerLady

Asian men would seem to be the problem in the exploitation of young, white girls in places like Rochdale. Are they racist or not using the definitions mentioned in this thread?

In perhaps the most well known case of horrific exploitation by Asian men, in Rotherham, here's a useful source of information:

https://www.rotherham.gov.uk/downloads/file/279/independent-inquiry-into-child-sexual-exploitation-in-rotherham

The report includes the fact that British Asian girls in Rotherham also suffered abuse, but a fear of shame and dishonour made them reluctant to report the abuse to authorities.

These vulnerable girls, both white and Asian, were targeted due to their vulnerability rather than their race specifically.

Using the victims of these men as a gotcha is unfair and incorrect.

I’m with Noah Kumar. I absolutely see where he’s coming from. It’s not remotely racist and no it doesn’t work both bloody ways.

@wellhelloitsme yes but its often used wrongly by some and is this was about can a non white person be racist etc and that is clearly a yes or even shite person to another white person of another nationality etc, thats a simple fact

Nish, bloody autocorrect!

@Gilead but in the eyes if the law yes it does
So if a asian person is racially targeted by a black person or vice versa is this then not racism
Or a white person purely targeted or discriminated because they are white , its not racist then ?
The law says very different

Meant to add this:

The Jay inquiry estimated that there may be 1,400 victims of diverse ethnic backgrounds.[f]
The report stated that "there is no simple link between race and child sexual exploitation", and cited a 2013 report by Muslim Women's Network UK of British Asian girls being abused across the country in situations that mirrored the abuse in Rotherham.[g][67] According to the group, Asian victims may be particularly vulnerable to threats of bringing shame and dishonour on their families,[68] and may have believed that reporting the abuse would be an admission that they had violated their Islamic beliefs.[69][70] The Jay report also noted that one of the local Pakistani women's groups had described Pakistani girls being targeted by Pakistani taxi drivers and landlords, but they feared reporting to the police out of concerns for their marriage prospects.[71] The report stated that "the under-reporting of exploitation and abuse in minority ethnic communities" should be addressed.

I think racism is only one way. As a white woman I know that my children will find it easier to progress. Everyone knows it. That's awful really, isn't it?

So, white working class, for example, may suffer prejudice, but not racial prejudice. They may suffer because of class snobbery or education or, if women, because of that. If you are black, it seems to me that you suffer all those things, plus racism on top. It's must be pretty shit to hear all the white people bleating about "poor me too". Yes, you might be, but it isn't the same and it's a disadvantage you do not face. Don't pretend otherwise. It's dim.

Sorry I'm a bit confused as to whether you agree or or not that the abuse wasn't baser on racism because the victims weren't selected due to their race, but due to their vulnerability.

If someone black committed a mass shooting and there were five white victims and five black victims at random, them shooting the white people wouldn't be racist as it wouldn't be fuelled by racism unless they specifically stated they meant to only kill white people and the other victims were regrettable accidents.

Ditto if five victims were female and five were male, shooting the women wouldn't be sexist unless the shooter stated they meant to only kill women.

Of course, there can be racism against white people.

I'm married to a black man and my in-laws hate me purely due to my skin colour, they literally called me a white devil. Tell me how that's not racism?

As LondonWolf said above, there's been a push from America to redefine racism to tie it to privilege rather than being treated poorly due to skin colour.

Yes sadly those men targeted and still target girls in their own communities too, girls who they knew could not tell a soul as they know they wouldn’t be believed over ‘respectable’ men in the community, not to mention the cultural repercussions of them ‘asking for it’ -why were they talking to said men in the first place and then fear of honour crimes against them, put on a plane to get married as a punishment, not allowed to carry on with education etc. Girls still have to carry this burden when a man abuses them, the fingers will point at them, why were they talking to men in the first place!
Honestly when I was at school it was common for these men to hang around outside school gates but we didn’t call them groomers. We knew they weren’t nice people but they pulled up in nice cars and this would happen every day.
These men deliberately targeted vulnerable girls who they knew they had weak family ties.
Unfortunately I got into awful situations and couldn’t tell anyone. These men know girls can’t be known to have boyfriends so they’ll know they’ll be kept a secret so can do as they please with the girls.
It’s a good set up for them to exploit these girls.
Ofcourse they won’t go near girls with (male) members looking out for them, as is the case for many Asian girls who aren’t allowed out after a certain time. They deliberately target vulnerable ones, white girls, Asian girls whichever they can exploit. Often these Asian girls are invisible and their trauma is not addressed.

@wellhelloitsme in your examples neither would be racism no as not selected due to race but if a non white person selected all white people because they ate white and that was the only reason that would be racist but according to some on here you can't be racist to white people

@spanishsummers so if a white person is beaten up by non white people purely because of race then you don't think that is racism ? What would you call it then?

It could be a non racially motivated attack, couldn't it?

Also, I think the wider answer to that is complicated and has an indirect route back to one way society racism.

So you’re saying that Robert Mugabe’s despotism, abuse of power and misappropriation of money was inflicted on him by colonialism? He didn’t orchestra any of it himself?

And Ferdinand and Imelda Marcos’s weren’t responsible for the corruption and extravagance characterized by their regime in The Philippines? Colonialism caused them to spend billions that didn’t really belong to them? White people were responsible for her infamous shoe collection?

@worriedatthistime

Me- "the oppressors cannot be oppressed"
You- "what rubbish"

Like I said, crack on.

@daisyjgrey erm show me where I said that quote those posts ? Your making things up

@spanishsummers no I said they were purely targeted because they were white , so based on race

Racism is racism. It's a way of objectifying your fellow man, demonising them even; attributing original sin based on skin colour. It's a sickness in the soul, whatever the race of the subject and object. It divides us. Two wrongs do not make a right.

I can't believe in 2022 we have this bollocks idea being propagated that racism is OK if it's against the right people. It is in itself a completely condescending Western-centric view, ironically.

@worriedatthistime my initial post at 18.15, your reply at 18.20. Presumably you can manage to scroll back that far yourself and don't require a full reference list and bibliography to accompany this small thesis of annoyance.

@daisyjgrey out of context though as you are wrong , legally white people can be victims of racism , thats just a fact
And no need to be so condescending especially when your wrong

@beguilingeyes how is it immaterial to the victim?
Sexism does work both ways , a victim is still a victim

@ResentfulLemon your the one who doesn't understand what the legal definition of racism is