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Does racism only work one way?

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Libre2 · 06/07/2022 15:01

twitter.com/MrNishKumar/status/1544372542097559554

Not sure what I think about this really, but I can see it causing absolute outrage if it were the other way round.

OP posts:
beastlyslumber · 06/07/2022 17:04

Race isn't entirely a social construct; there are distinct phenotypical differences between groups of people. The meaning of race is certainly something that has changed over time.

I suspect it is human nature to construct the world into 'us' and 'them'. Certainly the fear of outsiders and of those who look different to us seems to be an evolutionary feature. Amazingly, we have built societies in the west where we have equality under the law regardless of race. It's fantastic, and it pisses me off that people want to destroy it all because it's not perfect.

WalkersAreNotTheOnlyCrisps · 06/07/2022 17:18

Would be nice if the colour of someone's skin wasn't used as something to beat them with.
No one should be doing it.

TooTiredToSleepRightNow · 06/07/2022 17:20

Unnecessarily divisive comment. Obviously seeking attention.

TheWrongAllmanBrother · 06/07/2022 17:25

It’s staggering to me that there is an argument basically refuting the entire concept and construct of the legislated right not to be discriminated against on grounds of race (ethnic origin, nationality, colour) on the basis that is does not apply to certain ethnicities. This undermines the entire purpose of having a protected characteristic in the first place.

The Equality Act 2010:
Types of discrimination ('protected characteristics')

“ It is against the law to discriminate against anyone because of:

  • race including colour, nationality, ethnic or national origin “
Not difficult. The definition is simple. Privilege power and colonialism (whilst inextricably linked with many forms of racism) don’t change the definition of the term nor the legislated right for every individual to be protected from racism.
slowquickstep · 06/07/2022 17:29

Yes racism works both ways but of course that fact outrages many people.

quacky · 06/07/2022 17:34

Nish Kumar's tweet has been reported for racism by Calvin Robinson.

FemmeNatal · 06/07/2022 17:35

I don’t think that Nish Kumar is very funny, and I think that he’s said things which are racist.

Amrapaali · 06/07/2022 17:36

Nish Kumar is a Grade A Twat. And deeply unfunny.

Yes what he said is racist. And I say that as a South Asian immigrant. Twitter is awash with accounts tearing into RS and SJ and with hashtags of #BackBoris. All these accounts have Union Jack flags proudly on their handles and a cursory look tells me most of them have far right sympathies.

But even these users havent commented on the skin colour of the ministers who resigned. If they can manage it, I'm sure Nish can manage revelling in Boris' fall without resoorting to "brown guys" He is a complete and utter idiot that is all.

There is probably a feeling of "one of us"- all communities, countries, neighbourhoods tend to claim ownership when one of theirs makes it big. They are proud of the famous son or daughter and rightly so.

But jeez divisive tweets like this will only stoke resentment.

braggingaboutbrasize · 06/07/2022 17:36

Agreeing with PP - yes, it works both ways. Racism is discrimination based on race. And that means any race.

Cantanka · 06/07/2022 17:39

I completely agree with the concept of white privilege and structural racism never working to the detriment of white people.

in terms of the semantics though, at what point and on what authority did the definition of the word “racism” change to mean other than prejudice based on race? so that the isolated instances of eg a black person treating a white person less favourably are not racist but just racially prejudiced?

Hoppinggreen · 06/07/2022 17:39

Igotjelly · 06/07/2022 15:19

Yes racism works one way because its about power imbalance.

Agreed
These posts really annoy me
Non white peoples can be racist, women can be violent etc etc.

So bloody what? It doesn’t change the fact that non white people are subject to racism and that most violent crimes are carried out by men.

TooTiredToSleepRightNow · 06/07/2022 17:44

FemmeNatal · 06/07/2022 17:35

I don’t think that Nish Kumar is very funny, and I think that he’s said things which are racist.

yes I’m Asian so it’s nice when they’re funny and relatable but I find he tries too hard and this pathetic comment has confirmed it. Really no need and I doubt SJ and RS would be impressed.

PlanetNormal · 06/07/2022 17:56

No, of course it doesn’t, as anyone who has ever heard educated middle-class Arabs & Indians talking about sub-Saharan Africans is well aware. I’m white, and I have been called ‘Gweilo’ to my face in Hong Kong.

SashaMannDeservedBetter · 06/07/2022 17:56

Don’t think racism towards white people is quite the same as towards black or brown people as those with white skin are still widely seen as better and superior.

TheWrongAllmanBrother · 06/07/2022 18:00

“in terms of the semantics though, at what point and on what authority did the definition of the word “racism” change to mean other than prejudice based on race? so that the isolated instances of eg a black person treating a white person less favourably are not racist but just racially prejudiced?”

It hasn’t. Or shouldn’t have done.

”Oh it’s ok, when I called her a stuck up white b*tch I wasn’t being racist, just racially prejudiced. It can’t be racism cos she’s white”.

Isn’t that setting a very dangerous precedent?

Mamapep · 06/07/2022 18:01

It does work one way, yeah.
Next!

worriedatthistime · 06/07/2022 18:02

@TheWrongAllmanBrother exactly people choose to say its mean something it doesn't

Maireas · 06/07/2022 18:04

Libre2 · 06/07/2022 15:01

twitter.com/MrNishKumar/status/1544372542097559554

Not sure what I think about this really, but I can see it causing absolute outrage if it were the other way round.

Not sure what you think about it?
I think that's clear from your thread title. Don't be so disingenuous.

Davyjones · 06/07/2022 18:04

ResentfulLemon · 06/07/2022 15:08

Rich white men are the main problem in the world. Pointing this out and being happy that someone from your demographic may be instrumental in the failure of one isn't racism.

You literally cannot be racist about the white men in power. You can still be bigoted or xenophobic - but not racist because the power balance always lies with them no matter how wealthy or influential someone from a different demographic may be.

You don't understand what racism is if you think this is an example. But you are right that the tables being turned out cause outrage because that would be racism.

Main? How have you quantified that?
So the taliban not a problem unless they global?

rich white men run civilised functional countries. Not perfect at all but main problem?

please qualify that one

Davyjones · 06/07/2022 18:05

Davyjones · 06/07/2022 18:04

Main? How have you quantified that?
So the taliban not a problem unless they global?

rich white men run civilised functional countries. Not perfect at all but main problem?

please qualify that one

But that’s what racism is
prejudice based on race

worriedatthistime · 06/07/2022 18:06

I have known many non white people to be racist
I worked with people from various countries who were racist , people on here cannot change the definition it yo suit themseves

worriedatthistime · 06/07/2022 18:12

@ResentfulLemon yes can be racist about a rich white man
Look up the word racist and what it means
Also many non white men run awful countries aa well and you can't blame that on a rich white man hundreds of years ago

Davyjones · 06/07/2022 18:12

ResentfulLemon · 06/07/2022 15:54

It makes perfect sense thanks.

As AffIt put it, it's about punching down. You can't punch down to a wealthy, white leader of a country whose only potential lifetime discrimination has been based on not being wealthy enough or owning a fucking comb

Also...

So, in much of sub- Saharan Africa, rich black men are the problem- is it racist to point that out?

Actually, again the problem historically is the white rich men behind what's happened on the African continent. What's happening there today is the result of colonialism inflicted by...rich white men.

You're either spectacularly naive to the reality of what racism looks like or purposefully obtuse to the meaning of white privilege.

So do you think the men in power there are not reality in power? Puppets?

Fairyliz · 06/07/2022 18:14

Covidagainandagain · 06/07/2022 15:59

I will worry more about whether Nish Kumars comments were racist when we manage to have a prime minster who is not white

So can you explain why a non white person would be a better prime minister solely due to the colour of their skin?
Given that 87% of the U.K. is white then statistically we are more likely to have a white PM.

daisyjgrey · 06/07/2022 18:15

"Does racism only work one way?"

Yes. The oppressors cannot be the oppressed.

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