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What’s the worst racist incident you have experienced?

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Hope54321 · 02/07/2022 14:01

I’ve had quite a few:

Students in secondary school have pulled my hijab off.

After the 9/11 a group of boys threw paper balls at me and shouted “Taliban” at me.

The day after a terror attack in London, a man pulled his window down and called me a dumb whore. There was no one else around.

Walking back from school, a man told me, “Go back to your own country”.

On my way to college, I got on the bus and a woman said, “I don’t know why you would want to draw attention to yourself by wearing that”.

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Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 14:46

Agree about the gatekeeping issue, and how callously it comes across.

According to some of the posters here, the murder of Jewish and Roma people in the holocaust was not racist.

No matter that the Nazis insisted that they were creating a master race and that they explicitly exterminated Jewish, Roma and slavic people as they were ‘inferior races’. The millions killed were white, so they don’t count.

I highly recommend David Baddiel’s book, ‘Jews Don’t Count’.

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 14:52

The Equality Act 2010 says you must not be discriminated against because of your race. In the Equality Act, race can mean your colour, or your nationality (including your citizenship). It can also mean your ethnic or national origins, which may not be the same as your current nationality.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/en/advice-and-guidance/race-discrimination

Aria999 · 03/07/2022 14:52

Some of the experiences described here are appalling. I am so ashamed of my fellow human beings.

Daydreamsinsantafe · 03/07/2022 14:55

@Flammkuchen I don’t wish to out myself so will spare details but, for clarity, Jews are not all white & those who we’re murdered were definitely not all white.

To add, Black & Middle Eastern Jews have an entirely different experience than European Jews.

Daydreamsinsantafe · 03/07/2022 14:58

And if a black Jew experiences prejudice from a white Jew it wouldn’t be anti semitism would it? It would be racism.

Knittingnanny2 · 03/07/2022 15:00

@Aria999 I agree. Whether racism or incidents of racial predjudice, it’s all appalling.

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 15:01

It’s true that not all Jewish people were white, but the vast majority killed in the holocaust were. And they were killed because they were considered to be an inferior race.

So does the mass murder of mostly white Jewish people count as racism, or was it just ‘racial prejudice’ as white people can never experience racism?

1000Pieces · 03/07/2022 15:06

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 15:01

It’s true that not all Jewish people were white, but the vast majority killed in the holocaust were. And they were killed because they were considered to be an inferior race.

So does the mass murder of mostly white Jewish people count as racism, or was it just ‘racial prejudice’ as white people can never experience racism?

I skipped straight from page 1 to the last page of this thread and am very saddened, though not surprised, to infer that Jewish people are being told that racist attacks against us aren't, in fact, racist.

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 15:10

@Daydreamsinsantafe

Yes, black and middle Eastern Jews have a different experience than European Jews. They are much less likely to have had whole segments of their family murdered because of their race.

The industrialised slaughter of European Jews is the most egregious example of racism in human history.

Daydreamsinsantafe · 03/07/2022 15:11

@1000Pieces that definitely hasn’t happened at any point. Skipping 12 pages is a great way to draw the wrong conclusion.

Daydreamsinsantafe · 03/07/2022 15:15

@Flammkuchen perhaps true if you are a mono racial Jew but less so if not.
Perhaps there are those with the legacy of both the Holocaust and slavery…

IrisVersicolor · 03/07/2022 15:19

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 14:46

Agree about the gatekeeping issue, and how callously it comes across.

According to some of the posters here, the murder of Jewish and Roma people in the holocaust was not racist.

No matter that the Nazis insisted that they were creating a master race and that they explicitly exterminated Jewish, Roma and slavic people as they were ‘inferior races’. The millions killed were white, so they don’t count.

I highly recommend David Baddiel’s book, ‘Jews Don’t Count’.

Jewish and Roma peoples are racially distinct from white Europeans (to what extent is debatable, but in principle) and have a long history of persecution and discrimination. They are not counted as the white peoples who have not experienced racism.

oohfancythat · 03/07/2022 15:22

pedropony76 · 03/07/2022 14:41

@oohfancythat people keep responding to you and you keep ignoring it to say the same thing😂

So many things mentioned on the thread are not because of racism. They are still horrible experiences and looking at recent comments, there have been examples of xenophobia. That doesn’t mean it’s okay or it doesn’t matter. It simply isn’t racism and is xenophobia/discrimination/prejudice/racial prejudice etc. Why are you so bothered that people are educating those and giving them the right terms and clearly pointing out that the example mentioned isn’t an experience of racism.

If I came on here with a story but it wasn’t actually because of racism but was actually xenophobia. I’d be happy to know the correct term so not sure what the problem is?

Rather than giving definitions, can you please spell out for me, in the clearest language possible, exactly which 'races' you think have the right to post on this thread as being capable of experiencing racism?

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 15:22

@Daydreamsinsantafe
That is not true.

Several posters have said that white people can never experience racism.

If the mass slaughter of a people in the name of racial purity is not racism, then maybe you need to review your definition of racism.

Cameleongirl · 03/07/2022 15:25

Tranquilsea · 03/07/2022 05:24

I agree that this is racism. But - and it's a big but - this was perpetrated by a single family.

Systematic racism happens to people of colour regularly, by a large section of society.

I'd like you to try to imagine the effect that this has on a person of colour over a whole lifetime.

The OP didn’t mention systemic racism though, they asked about racist incidents. I’m not sure how unusual the type of prejudice I described is in some countries anyway.

1000Pieces · 03/07/2022 15:28

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 15:22

@Daydreamsinsantafe
That is not true.

Several posters have said that white people can never experience racism.

If the mass slaughter of a people in the name of racial purity is not racism, then maybe you need to review your definition of racism.

Thank you.

1000Pieces · 03/07/2022 15:32

Daydreamsinsantafe · 03/07/2022 15:11

@1000Pieces that definitely hasn’t happened at any point. Skipping 12 pages is a great way to draw the wrong conclusion.

On the other hand, living as a British Jew for over 40 years is a great way to have a good understanding of the bigger picture.

I skipped to the last page to see if it would be worth sharing a few of the racist incidents I've experienced here. I can see the answer is no.

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 15:45

@IrisVersicolor Isn’t suggesting Jewish people aren’t really white or European a bit racist?

Daydreamsinsantafe · 03/07/2022 15:46

@Flammkuchen what is not true? One can’t be a mixed raced Jew?

1000Pieces · 03/07/2022 15:54

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 15:45

@IrisVersicolor Isn’t suggesting Jewish people aren’t really white or European a bit racist?

Jews have generally not been considered to be white. (I am 100% ethnically/genetically Jewish)

1000Pieces · 03/07/2022 15:55

Daydreamsinsantafe · 03/07/2022 15:46

@Flammkuchen what is not true? One can’t be a mixed raced Jew?

I believe they were responding to your post saying I'd misconstrued the thread. Of course there are many mixed-race Jews and Jews of all different heritages and skin colours. Antisemitism is racism directed at Jewish people regardless of skin colour.

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 16:00

Of course you can be a mixed-race Jew, but the Nazis killed all Jews, regardless of skin colour because they considered them to be an inferior race.

The point I am trying to make is that racists don’t restrict racism to skin colour.

Other ethnic groups have and are seen as inferior/different and suffer for it. Jewish people were explicitly exterminated because of their race. Irish people were let starve in the famine because the English govt saw them as inferior. Nigel Farage wouldn’t want to live next door to Romanians.

These are all racism.

Whiskeypowers · 03/07/2022 16:03

oohfancythat · 03/07/2022 15:22

Rather than giving definitions, can you please spell out for me, in the clearest language possible, exactly which 'races' you think have the right to post on this thread as being capable of experiencing racism?

Think myself and many others can tell you to be frank.

There are some abysmal attitudes towards other peoples lives experiences and trauma on this thread which makes it clear to me that those who have been abused and prejudiced are by no means exempt from exhibiting those views themselves.whether they realise or accept and agree with it pr not.

Daydreamsinsantafe · 03/07/2022 16:04

@1000Pieces ok perhaps so.

I do feel you would have had a better understanding of the thread had you have read it in its entirety. The latter pages, those which you have read, are purposely antagonistic.

You should of course share your own experiences.

Whiskeypowers · 03/07/2022 16:05

Flammkuchen · 03/07/2022 16:00

Of course you can be a mixed-race Jew, but the Nazis killed all Jews, regardless of skin colour because they considered them to be an inferior race.

The point I am trying to make is that racists don’t restrict racism to skin colour.

Other ethnic groups have and are seen as inferior/different and suffer for it. Jewish people were explicitly exterminated because of their race. Irish people were let starve in the famine because the English govt saw them as inferior. Nigel Farage wouldn’t want to live next door to Romanians.

These are all racism.

Jews and Sikhs are protected groups for this reason

As you say racism and prejudice is not restricted to skin colour nor does legislation screen in this way.

seems not to matter to some though

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