Why Are So Many Survivors Supporting Johnny Depp?

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Why Are So Many Survivors Supporting Johnny Depp?

What about the audios where he verbally abuses her with taunting and name calling? What about the texts where he says no more meetings, no more auditions, no more work. Is that controlling? Plus the email clearly showing he tried to get her sacked from WB.

What about her acting coach who claims she heard him berate her and say nasty things regularly during her coaching sessions.

What about the make up artist who says she covered bruises and a split lip. His friend who saw a grab type bruise on her arm. Bride pictures sent to her mum.

What about the audiotape where he says he head butted her? Plus the one where he says it gets physical on both sides.

@JetTail

Here you are:

https://mobile.twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1517221995418554368?refsrc=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1517221995418554368%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es11&refurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thedailybeast.com%2Fjohnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-in-virginia-hears-audio-of-actor-appearing-to-say-he-chopped-his-own-finger-off

I don't think there's any denying that his words on the audio are "I"m talking about Austrailia, the day that I chopped my finger off" when you listen to it, so him claiming he hears something different feels like dishonesty under oath to me.

And an email that Johnny sent to his doctor was shown in court and it said, “I have chopped off my left middle finger as a reminder that I should never cut my finger off again!!”

Here's the link again in case that one didn't work @JetTail

twitter.com/cathyrusson/status/1517221995418554368

See above. Different types of abuse yes. Physical abuse is more difficult. I think I heard the kick on the plane wasn't heard by the jury otherwise you could add that too.

@JetTail Meant to add, a witness under oath corroborated that Johnny said he chopped off his own finger. Someone who no longer speaks to Amber despite having been her close friend before, so she has no skin in the game / reason to lie under oath risking perjury:

"Towards the end of her deposition on Wednesday, gave a definitive "yes" when asked if Mr Depp caused the injuries to his finger himself. "But I don't remember how he told me how he cut it off," she added. She was then asked if she remembered the actor telling her he had cut it off himself, to which she quickly answered: "Yes"."

So he says. There is then a message sent to AHs mum talking about how wonderful Amber was at helping him detox. How she was there the whole time supporting him and he couldn't have done it without her.

There is also evidence she insisted on being there.

There are two sides to every story.

@JetTail

He had to beg for her to leave while he was undergoing detox for substances. She withheld medication for him. That's torture and sadism.

He texted her mum and said the following about AH and his detox:

"I am beyond thankful to have you in my life. There’s no luckier man on this earth to have the strength that Amber gives me and the full support of each of you individually that I’ve gotten helps immeasurably. Never a second has gone by that she didn’t look out for me or have her eyes on me to make sure that I was okay. Words are truly feeble in attempting to explain her heroism in a text. Suffice to say that I have never met, or loved, a woman or a thing, more. I don’t need to explain the horrors to you. You know as well as I. What you do need to know – that your daughter has risen far above the nightmarish task of taking care of this poor, old junkie. She has the strength of a thousand men and that is due to no one or nothing but you, sweetheart. Thank you. I love you. Your son-outlaw."

Lol. Have you been through detox or addiction treatment? You're told that everything you think, do, say, have thought, have ever done, felt, believed IS WRONG.

Not a surprising text in new sobriety. And not remotely abusive.

You're told that everyone is being nasty to you 'for your own good'. HHAHAHAHA.

I haven't seen those.

@JetTail

You're dismissing literally everything that doesn't fit with your existing narrative, it's a bit frustrating.

Your opinion is basically that there's no evidence of JD having lied, then if anyone shows some, you say it's fabricated. But maintain that none of his own testimony is fabricated.

Nobody is saying that text is abusive. It's a lovely text, about AH, saying she supported him really well through his detox.

Now it could have been a case that Johnny was lying about it then, rather than lying now, but you simply refuse to accept any evidence that doesn't fit your narrative.

So I'm not sure why you ask for evidence / links at all if you believe it all to be lies if it paints him in a bad light or as a liar.

But then you have Whitney's friend Jennifer saying that Witney said at work in the presence of many people that she said Amber's done it now, she's chopped his finger off. She also has no reason to lie.

This is the trouble. So much evidence is contradictory and it is all he says/she says. It's an impossible task the jury has. What if they can't reach a unanimous verdict? Do they have to keep discussing it until one is made?

@JetTail

I haven't seen those.

I understand you may not want to see all of the evidence or watch all of the testimonies as they might be triggering for you. But to come onto threads stating as fact there is no evidence of xyz, then when presented with evidence saying it's a lie and / or you haven't seen it / not googling it for example, seems incredibly biased.

@mummyrocks1

But then you have Whitney's friend Jennifer saying that Witney said at work in the presence of many people that she said Amber's done it now, she's chopped his finger off. She also has no reason to lie.

I agree, it's hugely contradictory. But that's my issue with people supporting JD blindly - there's so much contradictory evidence from both sides and JD was drunk / high much of the time by his own admission and as shown in evidence, so is by definition an unreliable witness.

As stated upthread I think they were incredibly toxic and likely abusive to one another in different ways. If the jury find that's the case, JD cannot win as his suit hinges on the fact he has never abused AH. That's the threshold he needs to meet.

It's not a trial about who was abusive.
It's about whether Amber's article portrayed Johnny as abusive and whether she lied.
And about whether Johnny smeared her by getting his lawyer to say her claims of abuse are a hoax.
They can both lose
I can't see how Johnny can win as he's not proved she lied, and even if she did, the article doesn't read as directed at him.
Amber might win but its not clear cut if the jury believe she was also abusive. If not, its clear waldman was malicious and smeared her by going to the papers and calling it a hoax

It's not a trial about who was abusive.* It's about whether Amber's article portrayed Johnny as abusive and whether she lied.*

That means it is about whether Johnny was abusive though, because if the jury believes he has ever been abusive to her then portraying him as abusive cannot be legally determined to be a lie. And that's the threshold the jury need to reach - that it is a lie.

It just isn't about who was more abusive, because her being abusive or not isn't anything they are deciding in his lawsuit.

Like you, I can't see how he can win.

Some female survivors of abuse see her behaviour as more reminiscent of their abusive partners, compared to JD's. They may see their own situation as being something like his.

And some just find her less credible.

I really do not understand why that is so weird to some people. We all know that women can be abusive, there are women here on MN who regularly talk about their abusive, narcissistic, lying, mothers.

She didn’t lie under oath.

The case is about whether or not an article she wrote was defamatory.

And that is precisely how I see it. The harrassment, the insults, the belittling, then the clawing at him physically and metaphorically to come back, to not leave.
I've watched some of the closing argument by Ms. Vasquez. I can not see how she can prove ANY point of abuse.

Was it untrue? IMO yes
Did it damage him? IMO yes

She is also counter-suing. So two cases really.

Shes Lied about quite a bit under oath.

she may not have been lying when she said Depp was abusive but the issue is will the jury believe her when she’s shown that she’s prepared to lie if she thinks it makes her look good/him bad.

Because Men can be survivors too.

Heard is the one who filed for divorce and is the one who requested the restraining order. She was not "clawing" at him to come back.

Furthermore, closing and opening arguments are not evidence.

Yeah,

Because he was leaving her.

@JetTail His own sister testified Amber filed for divorce and she was upset about it because it happened the day after their mother died.