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Why Are So Many Survivors Supporting Johnny Depp?

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CaptSkippy · 26/05/2022 21:51

Why Are So Many Survivors Supporting Johnny Depp?

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OppsUpsSide · 26/05/2022 23:29

It’s a good article OP, thanks.

CaptSkippy · 26/05/2022 23:29

VeniVidiWeeWee · 26/05/2022 23:26

No. You asked a question, I answered it. Do you have a problem with standard English?

I never asked a question. The question is the title of the article and the article answers it.

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EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 26/05/2022 23:30

I'm sure he's an absolute nightmare to live with due to the drugs and alcohol but she I'd also an abusive nightmare , she's admitted to hitting him and there's evidence of her goading and belittling him

She's lied too many times so no, I don't believe he was physically or sexually aggressive towards her. She'd have are she she had evidence if he was

EveryFlightBeginsWithAFall · 26/05/2022 23:31

*She'd have made sure she had evidence

Gah, I'm off to bed. Can't even type !

CaptSkippy · 26/05/2022 23:31

OppsUpsSide · 26/05/2022 23:29

It’s a good article OP, thanks.

Thank you. I was glad to read the article too. It softened my opinion on abuse survivors who defend Depp a little, although I still think they are doing a great deal of damage of the cause of women's rights.

Sadly, many posters here are too defensive to read the article.

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Freddiefox · 26/05/2022 23:32

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 26/05/2022 23:25

I read the article, it is utter shit, from start to end, written for idiots.

It is working backwards from the assumption that she’s telling the truth, despite us now having proof that she lied under oath.

I felt the article was more interesting than utter shit written for idiots, particularly the part, and I’m surmising here that some women like to think they would act differently/better/faster/ than the victim as a sort of tool to protect themselves from believing that abuse could happen to them.

FloorWipes · 26/05/2022 23:35

I thought the article was interesting but possibly not correct as to the actual explanation in this instance.

I assume the reason is mostly to do with the fact that people are identifying their own experiences in what Depp describes and that’s why it rings true for them.

DuinrellCalling · 26/05/2022 23:36

I haven't followed this case in lots of depth so can I ask, what things has Amber Heard definitely lied under oath about?

I don't think she lied about Kate Moss - didn't she just reference a rumour that she'd heard when she was frightened she (or was it her sister?) was going to be pushed down the stairs by Depp? Didn't she say something like 'I thought Kate Moss and stairs and panicked'... So, repeating a rumour or misunderstanding that you don't know the truth about isn't lying is it? It's just being mistaken.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 26/05/2022 23:38

CaptSkippy · 26/05/2022 23:29

I never asked a question. The question is the title of the article and the article answers it.

Obviously you do have a problem with English. Your OP heading has a question mark.

You asked a question.

StrawberryLipstickStateOfMind1 · 26/05/2022 23:38

Because he's pretty, or at least was.
I've seen women fall for it many times.

DailySheetWasher · 26/05/2022 23:43

None of us can possibly know the whole truth except for them. The testimony and evidence has revealed appalling behaviour from both. Anyone who's vehemently standing by one side or the other is revealing their (subconscious or otherwise) prejudice.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 26/05/2022 23:54

Freddiefox · 26/05/2022 23:32

I felt the article was more interesting than utter shit written for idiots, particularly the part, and I’m surmising here that some women like to think they would act differently/better/faster/ than the victim as a sort of tool to protect themselves from believing that abuse could happen to them.

But we do not yet know that she is a victim, so an article written on that premise, and asking why women are not more supportive is flawed from the off.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 26/05/2022 23:55

DuinrellCalling · 26/05/2022 23:36

I haven't followed this case in lots of depth so can I ask, what things has Amber Heard definitely lied under oath about?

I don't think she lied about Kate Moss - didn't she just reference a rumour that she'd heard when she was frightened she (or was it her sister?) was going to be pushed down the stairs by Depp? Didn't she say something like 'I thought Kate Moss and stairs and panicked'... So, repeating a rumour or misunderstanding that you don't know the truth about isn't lying is it? It's just being mistaken.

About having already donated money to a charity. She claimed under oath that it had all been paid, and admitted under oath that it had not.

Readtheroom · 26/05/2022 23:55

Rathmobhaile · 26/05/2022 23:01

Because she badly acts a victim of trauma. Trauma victims don't keep reoeating their trauma. They may be able to repeat it once. They can't keep repeating it as psychologically it may re traumatise them. So seeing Amber Herd getting emotional and revisiting trauma in such an emotionally emersed way repeatedly doesn't ring true. The way Johhny Depp describes his trauma of abuse both in childhood and as an adult is much more typical of abused people. Theres a detachment and matter of fact quietness to it that reflects the only way most trauma victims can talk of their trauma without revisiting and retraumatising. Its not an immersive experience for johnny depp as he can't let himself go there. Its not psychologically safe. Amber goes there because her trauma isn't real.

Just because shes female and hes male doesn't mean he has to be the abuser.

I have trauma and PTSD. I revisit it and tell people it and it hurts me when I do, its not physically impossible to tell people. sometimes i do it to wind myself up and i couldnt tell you why i do that off the top of my head, and it sends me down a destructive path, but generally i dont like to talk about it.

Stompythedinosaur · 27/05/2022 01:27

Rathmobhaile · 26/05/2022 23:01

Because she badly acts a victim of trauma. Trauma victims don't keep reoeating their trauma. They may be able to repeat it once. They can't keep repeating it as psychologically it may re traumatise them. So seeing Amber Herd getting emotional and revisiting trauma in such an emotionally emersed way repeatedly doesn't ring true. The way Johhny Depp describes his trauma of abuse both in childhood and as an adult is much more typical of abused people. Theres a detachment and matter of fact quietness to it that reflects the only way most trauma victims can talk of their trauma without revisiting and retraumatising. Its not an immersive experience for johnny depp as he can't let himself go there. Its not psychologically safe. Amber goes there because her trauma isn't real.

Just because shes female and hes male doesn't mean he has to be the abuser.

I'm fascinated to know what experience or qualifications you have yo make such a sweeping statement about how people who have experienced trauma behave.

In my experience this isn't true at all.

I think people believe Depp because Heard is unlikeable. But I tend to think even unlikeable women have a right not to be abused.

My stance is, and will remain, that if a woman tells me they have been abused, I will believe them.

JemimaPuddlegoose · 27/05/2022 03:00

Because Amber isn't the perfect victim, and patriarchy has brainwashed women into thinking they can protect themselves from abuse by being perfect, and that women who aren't perfect victims are to blame for their own abuse.

The fact Depp is violent and abusive really is not in dispute at all. Look at the history and evidence:

He had to give his first wife a huge payoff after leaving her a verbally and racially abusive (use of the N word) voicemail.

Has a long history of beating people up, including photographers, security guards, hotel staff, and movie crew members.

Once set fire to his own costume to protest against something he was upset about on set.

Bragged to a magazine interviewer that it was worth going to jail "to see the look of fear on the little maggot's face" (referring to beating up a photographer).

During a TV interview, Letterman asked if it was true he beat people up, and he laughed and said "yeah sometimes people have it coming" and also laughed about trashing hotel rooms.

In a different Letterman interview many years later, laughed about being arrested for assault after he walked down the street swinging a 4x4 plank of wood.

In a third Letterman interview yet more years later, made a comment about flying to Australia to beat the shit out of someone.

Ex-girlfriend Jennifer Grey wrote in her memoir that he was constantly getting into physical fights during the time she dated him.

Ex-girlfriend Ellen Barkin testified in court that he'd thrown a wine bottle at her head, and described him as very controlling and jealous.

Has made dozens of alarming and violent comments in various interviews over the decade, including telling Playboy magazine that he suffers from what he calls "hillbilly rages" where the red mist descends and he doesn't know what he's doing, a different interview in GQ where he discussed the fact his favourite thing to do during physical fights is to bite people, and various interviews where he discussed his serious substance abuse which started as a minor.

Smashed up hotel rooms with women he was dating locked inside them.

Beat people up in front of women he was dating.

Made the following joke in a Rolling Stone magazine: "Hunter Thompson zeroes in on faults and good points immediately. I was with Kate [Moss], and I think he went straight for the romance jugular, shit like whether I beat her enough. I probably told him, ‘Yeah, she gets a severe beating.'”

Told interviewers that Vanessa Paradis knew how to "talk him down from the ledge" when he experienced his rage episodes (meaning at the very least that she had to do emotional labour of managing his anger).

Vanessa Paradis said in interviews that he used to explode and throw plates at walls.

Paid his ex-girlfriend $150 million dollars despite them never having been married, then sent texts claiming she was "an extortionist." Hmm wonder what a man with a known history of paying off women he's subjected to violence could possibly be referring to by giving a woman $150 million then claiming she extorted him.

Paid a huge settlement to a respected middle aged disabled female university professor, after he had his bodyguards assault her, illegally handcuff her, and drag her across the floor so violently that part of her clothing was torn off leaving her nude from the waist down, and her shoulders became dislocated. Because he objected to a disabled person being in the VIP area of a concert.

Sent texts referring to the mother of his children as "a withering cunt".

Sent dozens of explicitly and extremely violent texts, including texts talking about raping and murdering his wife.

Admitted on video to having beaten his wife.

There's audio of him admitting to have headbutted his wife.

The London High Court listened to evidence relating to 15 separate incidences of domestic violence (some of that evidence was given privately and never shared with the press or public). Of those 14 incidents, the High Court found that the evidence proved that Depp had beaten up his wife on 12 separate occasions, that on three occasions she'd been made to fear for her life, and that for the other three alleged incidents the evidence was not sufficient to prove assault.

The London High Court ruled that as the evidence proved that Depp had beaten up his wife on at least 12 separate occasions it was factually true to describe him as "a wife beater."

Whatever Amber did or did not do, it's pretty clear that Depp is a violent, unstable, abusive man and has been for a very long time.

xxyzz · 27/05/2022 03:24

I didn't know all of that, @JemimaPuddlegoose

I've been following the case a little but not in detail.

I was instinctively Team Johnny as I'd fancied him since a teenager and Amber seemed dodgy eg over the lies over the charity money.

But watching him in court recently, it all looked like he was.. enjoying himself a bit too much. He seemed smug. Something seemed off.

I wasn't aware of most of what you wrote about his history of violence but had certainly read the vile language he used about women including his ex-wife.

So I'm certainly no fan of Amber either. But no longer a fan of his either.

Guess it's been good for the lawyers.

fossilsmorefossils · 27/05/2022 04:06

I read the article and simply don't think that it's only that.

Amber lied. That makes her unbelievable. Plus she was absolutely horrible to him. That doesn't make it right, but coupled with her lies it does make it look like she might be on the revenge path and he very well could be innocent of hurting Amber.

That doesn't mean for sure that he didn't do it, but she made it too doubtable that I don't think that he should be punished (like by losing work). It doesn't matter that he threw plates at the wall twenty years ago, it doesn't mean that he hurt Amber more recently.

Having said that, any woman would be absolutely bonkers to hook up with this drugged alcoholic troubled man.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 27/05/2022 04:52

I never asked a question. The question is the title of the article and the article answers it.

No it doesn't. It gives a persons opinion as to why. Not facts. I support him because she's a liar, proven in court. I also believe men can be victims. Do you not believe that?

Zippidy123 · 27/05/2022 06:39

Polyanne

I believe him. Especially since Kate Moss gave evidence that proved Amber was lying under oath. I mean they’ve both been horrible to each other, but she’s nuts and is lying through her teeth

How did Kate Moss' testimonial prove AH is lying under oath? There was a rumour that Depp had pushed Moss down stairs, AH was basing her actions on that rumour. She didn't state as fact that that's what had happened. KM clarified that the rumour wasn't true.

QuebecBagnet · 27/05/2022 06:48

Why aren’t Heards lawyers making more of these interviews where he’s talked a his rages and how he beats people up? I’m not disbelieving the poster who detailed all those things, I’d guess it must be public record. But why aren’t they talking about this in court to demonstrate he can be violent?

TheOnlyLivingBoyInNewCross · 27/05/2022 06:54

What is clear from the trial is that they are both damaged, unstable, violent people who should never have gone on one date, never mind married.

Amber’s lying about the donating of the divorce settlement to charities, and the way she tried to obscure her lies under oath by playing with semantics, was distasteful though - there’s a hypocrisy to it that we haven’t seen in Depp’s testimony. He doesn’t try to conceal that he’s fucked up in all sorts of ways, which makes him a more plausible witness.

QuebecBagnet · 27/05/2022 06:54

I’ve been googling. Can’t find anything about him punching a photographer and this is the only thing about an altercation with a crew member

www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/city-lies-script-supervisor-defends-johnny-depp-lawsuit-alleged-set-attack-1137854/

collieresponder88 · 27/05/2022 07:16

I think they are both just as bad as each other and sick of hearing about them.

TheDoveFromAboveCooCoo · 27/05/2022 07:23

chiickenandmayosandwich · 26/05/2022 23:24

For me, I simply believe his side of the story. Something doesn't sit right with her and the way she recalls her side.

They were both clearly terrible to each other, heavy drug and alcohol abusers and not in the right head space to be in a relationship.

She's admitted to hitting him on record, throwing things at him and being verbally abusive. There was an incident that resulted in him losing the top of his finger.
He was recorded begging her to stop, saying he couldn't take the physical violence any longer.

She was not an innocent victim.

That's not to say he didn't do anything wrong, neither of them are coming out of this looking good, but how the fuck can she claim to be an advocate of domestic violence survivors after behaving like that?

He more than likely would have divorced, kept his head down and moved on with his life and career but she kept picking away at the bones and badmouthing him to the point it affected his life and work.

I believe he just wants to set the record straight.

My thoughts exactly.