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wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:13

JetTail · 28/05/2022 14:09

He had to beg for her to leave while he was undergoing detox for substances. She withheld medication for him. That's torture and sadism.

I think the issue is that you're coming from a standpoint where your assumption is always of his testimony being true and hers being false. Your prerogative of course but it's highly biased.

I personally think they had an incredibly toxic relationship in which they were both likely abusive in different ways.

I think both have probably told lies during the course of all these legal proceedings.

But the case hinges on whether or not JD was ever abusive to AH, therefore making it impossible for jurors to agree that his case reaches the threshold of the statement being entirely false.

I think he knows it's highly unlikely he will win but that his objective was to win the public's support and (as he wrote himself) to humiliate her on a global scale to ensure she can't have a career, which it seems he's done I think.

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:14

@JetTail

I didn't want to link to a biased source so if you click on the link it's Google results page showing all news articles relating to the blood writing on the mirror incident. Thought that'd be better than linking to just one article.

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:15

With respect @JetTail whenever you ask for evidence / info / sources etc, your responses when given them are to say they are lies / to add context that paints AH in as bad a light a possible / not click on a link to sources etc.

Again, completely your prerogative but it's difficult to engage in good faith when you're so biased.

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:20

And I'm really sorry you've been in an abusive relationship, I genuinely can see how if you identify more with one of the parties involved it's almost impossible to be unbiased when looking at all the evidence. Especially as there's so much of it and so conflicting.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 14:29

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:15

With respect @JetTail whenever you ask for evidence / info / sources etc, your responses when given them are to say they are lies / to add context that paints AH in as bad a light a possible / not click on a link to sources etc.

Again, completely your prerogative but it's difficult to engage in good faith when you're so biased.

I have only seen evidence in this trial. If there has been evidence other trials, I won't have seen them, nor will I consider them.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 14:30

I apologise if there has been evidence of him writing shit in blood on her mirror or whatever, I have not seen it.

AdamRyan · 28/05/2022 14:30

JetTail · 28/05/2022 14:00

You should see the discussions I have with my therapist and my siblings about my abusive mother!

When I call her?

'Hiya! How are you?'

I am never abusive to my mother but by God, the conversations that I have had about her, and my opinion of her are not complimentary. I have expressed desires that among other things that 'the fat cunt eats herself to death'.

Do I say that to her? No.

So am I abusive to my mother?

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I'd say that's an abusive thing to say about your mother and would make me more likely to believe her if she said you did verbally abuse her, yes.

But also, that's your mother. You didn't choose her. Depp was talking about his wife. If I hated someone that much that I'd talk about them like that, I wouldn't be married to them.

He also says similar things about other women (e.g. calling Vanessa Paradis a French extortionist cunt) and so I think it is indicative of his attitude to women generally, rather than amber specifically.

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:32

JetTail · 28/05/2022 14:30

I apologise if there has been evidence of him writing shit in blood on her mirror or whatever, I have not seen it.

There's been a hell of a lot of testimony so easily done I guess! Yes he testified on the stand in this trial that he did write those things in his own blood.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 14:35

I believe him 100%. Either he's an Oscar winning actor (I've been the victim of a male abuser in a relationship), or she is a shite actress.
I believe him. I do not believe her.
There is no evidence that he ever abused her.
Not psychologically, emotionally or physically.
If you show me the evidence of even one instance of abuse by him to her, admitted in this case, then I may change my opinion.
My opinion isn't really relevant.
She has damaged the credibility of a lot of female victims. Imo, she has been shown to be a liar. She hasn't traumatised victims as they think they won't be believed. She has traumatised them because now everyone will believe that they are making shit up (as she has been - imo).

honeybeetheoneandonly · 28/05/2022 14:37

The conclusions I've drawn from what I've seen so far is that JD is a violent, unstable, abusive man and AH is a violent, unstable, abusive woman.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 14:38

I think this will boil down to her credibility. There is no unambiguous, irrefutable evidence of her being abused.
If she has been shown to lie about one thing, how can you believe anything? Unless it's a video of him beating the shit out of her.

She's not credible. I'm interested to hear the result.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 14:40

honeybeetheoneandonly · 28/05/2022 14:37

The conclusions I've drawn from what I've seen so far is that JD is a violent, unstable, abusive man and AH is a violent, unstable, abusive woman.

He has expressed violent thoughts towards paps.
It's a well-believed notion that Princess Diana died as a result of paps.

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:40

@JetTail

In fairness he has been nominated for three Oscars so I wouldn't use that as an argument!

Appreciate you have made your mind up, so I get the sense that even if someone presented you with unequivocal evidence he hit her you would say that she must have wound him up / she must have done it first etc.

I don't think you're open to his narrative being untrue in any way, which is your personal right obviously.

I personally think it's a lot more complicated than that and both had an utterly toxic, abusive relationship with different types of abuse towards each other.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 14:40

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:32

There's been a hell of a lot of testimony so easily done I guess! Yes he testified on the stand in this trial that he did write those things in his own blood.

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Can you link to it? I've looked but can't find it.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 14:41

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:40

@JetTail

In fairness he has been nominated for three Oscars so I wouldn't use that as an argument!

Appreciate you have made your mind up, so I get the sense that even if someone presented you with unequivocal evidence he hit her you would say that she must have wound him up / she must have done it first etc.

I don't think you're open to his narrative being untrue in any way, which is your personal right obviously.

I personally think it's a lot more complicated than that and both had an utterly toxic, abusive relationship with different types of abuse towards each other.

Well, he's clearly the better actor then lol as I believe every word he says.

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:44

@JetTail

Really? If you Google Johnny depp blood mirror defamation testimony there are lots of results.

Here's the first one:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/johnny-depp-faces-tough-questioning-as-graphic-texts-about-amber-heard-and-bloody-mirror-message-photos-are-shown-in-court-12594467

The trial has previously heard that the former couple would sometimes record conversations, and clips were also played in court on Thursday. "I become irrational when you're doing movies," Depp could be heard saying in one. "I become jealous and f crazy and weird, you know, we fight a lot more."
Mr Rottenborn presented photos from the day the injury was sustained to the court, showing messages written on mirrors with paint and blood from Depp's severed finger. "Starring Billy Bob and Easy Amber," Depp wrote in one message - a reference to Heard having been away filming with actor Billy Bob Thornton shortly before her arrival in Australia.
The jury was then shown messages and played audio recordings referencing the finger, with Depp saying in them that he had "chopped my finger off" - seemingly contradicting his allegation that Heard caused the injury.

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:46

I'll leave it there I think @JetTail, as I said I don't think you're open to him having any accountability or responsibility for the situation, which I believe was a toxic and most probably mutually abusive one. If the jury agree with the latter, he cannot win the case. I think he knows that but his goal was to humiliate her and end her career. I think he's been successful in doing so.

SlightlyGeordieJohn · 28/05/2022 15:05

CaptSkippy · 28/05/2022 09:43

It's not what I think. Men are women do not have equal physical strength. That's why it's unfair to make women compete against men in, let's say, swimming competitions of martial arts. It's simply unfair. She doesn't stand a chance.

In a physical altercation between a man and a woman, unless the woman uses a weapon, she will lose.

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Rubbish. There are many cases where the man is too cowed to hit back, or believes that he shouldn’t, or is too scared to.

You have also made the jump from noting that on average men are stronger than women to asserting that in any male / female pair the man is always the stronger. Surely you can see that that’s wrong, can’t you?

JemimaPuddlegoose · 28/05/2022 15:13

The conclusions I've drawn from what I've seen so far is that JD is a violent, unstable, abusive man and AH is a violent, unstable, abusive woman.

Exactly.

The fact that he's extremely violent and abusive is absolutely without any question of doubt at all.

The fact he beat Amber is without doubt.

Anyone claiming he was never violent ever clearly has an agenda.

Important to realise that Depp funded a very expensive and large-scale media campaign to smear Amber. Old press interviews have vanished from the website of the publication that originally printed them (I have scans of old magazine interviews on my laptop - like interviews dating back to the 90s, even - that were on the magazines' websites four years ago, since then the magazine have removed that issue and only that issue from their site.) Several press outlets are on the record as saying they were contacted by the very very powerful damage control company he hired to trash her reputation, wanting to place fake stories about her. Since the very day she first accused him, I've noticed that whenever any website or social media site or news outlet that has a comment section posts any story about Depp/Heard, within literally minutes there will be dozens or hundreds of comments saying "Amber is an evil liar Johnny is a wonderful gentle soul who is the victim."

The wording of these comments is often identical and the sheer scale of them is far too large not to be part of an orchestrated campaign.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 16:28

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 14:44

@JetTail

Really? If you Google Johnny depp blood mirror defamation testimony there are lots of results.

Here's the first one:

https://news.sky.com/story/amp/johnny-depp-faces-tough-questioning-as-graphic-texts-about-amber-heard-and-bloody-mirror-message-photos-are-shown-in-court-12594467

The trial has previously heard that the former couple would sometimes record conversations, and clips were also played in court on Thursday. "I become irrational when you're doing movies," Depp could be heard saying in one. "I become jealous and f crazy and weird, you know, we fight a lot more."
Mr Rottenborn presented photos from the day the injury was sustained to the court, showing messages written on mirrors with paint and blood from Depp's severed finger. "Starring Billy Bob and Easy Amber," Depp wrote in one message - a reference to Heard having been away filming with actor Billy Bob Thornton shortly before her arrival in Australia.
The jury was then shown messages and played audio recordings referencing the finger, with Depp saying in them that he had "chopped my finger off" - seemingly contradicting his allegation that Heard caused the injury.

I read as far as "messages written in paint and blood from his severed finger".................. i.e. the one she severed?

mummyrocks1 · 28/05/2022 16:28

JemimaPuddlegoose · 28/05/2022 15:13

The conclusions I've drawn from what I've seen so far is that JD is a violent, unstable, abusive man and AH is a violent, unstable, abusive woman.

Exactly.

The fact that he's extremely violent and abusive is absolutely without any question of doubt at all.

The fact he beat Amber is without doubt.

Anyone claiming he was never violent ever clearly has an agenda.

Important to realise that Depp funded a very expensive and large-scale media campaign to smear Amber. Old press interviews have vanished from the website of the publication that originally printed them (I have scans of old magazine interviews on my laptop - like interviews dating back to the 90s, even - that were on the magazines' websites four years ago, since then the magazine have removed that issue and only that issue from their site.) Several press outlets are on the record as saying they were contacted by the very very powerful damage control company he hired to trash her reputation, wanting to place fake stories about her. Since the very day she first accused him, I've noticed that whenever any website or social media site or news outlet that has a comment section posts any story about Depp/Heard, within literally minutes there will be dozens or hundreds of comments saying "Amber is an evil liar Johnny is a wonderful gentle soul who is the victim."

The wording of these comments is often identical and the sheer scale of them is far too large not to be part of an orchestrated campaign.

Please outline the physical evidence that he certainly was violent and abusive. Evidence that is concrete .

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 16:32

@JetTail

I read as far as "messages written in paint and blood from his severed finger".................. i.e. the one she severed?

You asked for a link and I sent one but you haven't read it fully or even to the end of the next paragraph?

Here you go:

"Starring Billy Bob and Easy Amber," Depp wrote in one message - a reference to Heard having been away filming with actor Billy Bob Thornton shortly before her arrival in Australia.The jury was then shown messages and played audio recordings referencing the finger, with Depp saying in them that he had "chopped my finger off" - seemingly contradicting his allegation that Heard caused the injury.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 16:32

@mummyrocks1 I'd love to see any evidence of that also. That is what this whole case hinges upon. Was there any evidence of him being abusive? I have not seen any.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 16:36

wellhelloitsme · 28/05/2022 16:32

@JetTail

I read as far as "messages written in paint and blood from his severed finger".................. i.e. the one she severed?

You asked for a link and I sent one but you haven't read it fully or even to the end of the next paragraph?

Here you go:

"Starring Billy Bob and Easy Amber," Depp wrote in one message - a reference to Heard having been away filming with actor Billy Bob Thornton shortly before her arrival in Australia.The jury was then shown messages and played audio recordings referencing the finger, with Depp saying in them that he had "chopped my finger off" - seemingly contradicting his allegation that Heard caused the injury.

He is heard saying that he chopped his own finger off in a recording?

If yes, then my entire opinion of him changes.

It's hard to explain why I believe him. I've been the victim of childhood abuse, my father has been the victim of DV from my mother, I've been the victim of DV from a former partner. I am not in any way biased. If anything, I would be very much on the side of the woman normally as I know how insidious the abuse can be and how charming the bastards (male and female) can be.

I just can not believe her at all.

JetTail · 28/05/2022 16:38

I can't explain why I believe him and not her. It's simply that I read her as a liar and I read him as truthful. I'm an extremely astute judge of character in my own personal opinion. I can see through people. And I can spot lies from a mile away. I simply do not believe her.