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Boris Johnson, FPN's, and Sue Gray report due. Thread 5

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Roussette · 19/05/2022 17:10

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newnamethanks · 01/06/2022 08:15

@Notonthestairs Bowl of Beauty and Bartzella.

Boris Johnson, FPN's, and Sue Gray report due.  Thread 5
jgw1 · 01/06/2022 08:15

itsgettingweird · 01/06/2022 08:11

It's gaslighting at its best

Is it gaslighting if we are not buying it anymore?

Or is it just making them look more and more like clowns.

jgw1 · 01/06/2022 08:18

Latest (published 30th May) Electoral Calculus number crunching on the likely outcome of the next general election = reaching the territory where it is a question of whether or not Labour achieve an outright majority.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/prediction_main.html

itsgettingweird · 01/06/2022 08:24

That's a good point jwg

I think when they behave that way it counts even when the "victims" no longer buy it and can see the behaviour

Notonthestairs · 01/06/2022 08:47

newnamethanks · 01/06/2022 08:15

@Notonthestairs Bowl of Beauty and Bartzella.

Oh they are beautiful!

Dashdotdotdash · 01/06/2022 08:56

newnamethanks · 31/05/2022 19:30

Dominic Greve on C4 news is very cross indeed with Bozo "His fingers will have to be prised off the window ledge" of Number 10 is quite mild compared to the rest if the interview. Good. Tories finding a spine, hopefully.

Sadly, it doesn't really portend that. Dominic Grieve has been prepared to be very, very forthright about Johnson for a long time. Interviews with him are a treat to listen to. It hasn't so far persuaded any other spineless Tories to change their ways.

Dashdotdotdash · 01/06/2022 09:09

I find the contrast between Raab's and Grieve's approach really quite saddening. They're both lawyers. For good lawyers, concepts of right, justice and the rule of law become almost the fibre of their being, and no matter what their political affiliation they will not close their eyes to blatant law-breaking and trashing of rights. That is essentially Grieve's position. Raab, on the other hand, simply doesn't care about inconvenient concepts like that and puts his political career first.

But I find it really puzzling that he continues to do so when he is in a marginal seat and therefore he cannot hope to be re-elected if Johnson stays in power. He probably can't even if Johnson resigned tomorrow, but at least if distanced himself from Johnson he might be left with a few shreds of credibility and could hope to be parachuted into a safe seat. As matters stand, politicians who have defended Johnson are in distinct danger of going down with him. That's why certain politicians are conspicuous by their absence on breakfast telly on the many, many occasions when Johnson needs a stooge to defend him. But Raab is still mad enough to put himself out there. Maybe Johnson knows where some very inconvenient bodies are buried?

Dashdotdotdash · 01/06/2022 09:10

I do hope when Raab said the public just wanted them to get on with the job that someone pointed out current poll ratings to him?

prettybird · 01/06/2022 09:20

Being cynical, if when Raab is voted out in an election, he gets a nice comfortable parachute payment pension Hmm

Plus for the moment, he gave the security of two more years worth of a ministerial salary.

Notonthestairs · 01/06/2022 09:30

We’ve crunched the numbers on the 30 Tory rebels calling for PM to go

  • 17 Leavers, 13 Remainers
  • Every intake in last 40yrs represented except 2017
  • Tiny majorities (3 have below 1k) and huge ones (8 have 20k+)
  • 9 had Lib Dems 2nd, 21 Labour

Ie fires breaking out all over!

twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1531913723316781059?s=21&t=kpneD4QvnbpqKULhd43jvw

"I agree with Nadine Dorries that everyone should get behind the Prime Minister. Where we disagree is in what we should do next."

twitter.com/mattgreencomedy/status/1531911795262332929?s=21&t=kpneD4QvnbpqKULhd43jvw

Roussette · 01/06/2022 09:39

twitter.com/benrileysmith/status/1531913723316781059?t=1clkkFQeIoyXgXuKf0kQPA&s=19

Fascinating. The make up of where the letters of no confidence are coming from

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Peregrina · 01/06/2022 09:50

If it's become everyday conversation to talk of the Johnson putsch in this way then Bozo had better be packing his Gucci.

I remember when it got like that for Thatcher. No one to admit to having voted Tory, but she won three elections, so someone must have done.

Peregrina · 01/06/2022 10:07

I find the contrast between Raab's and Grieve's approach really quite saddening.

Wasn't Raab a Solicitor? A life of working in a small country town dealing with conveyancing, probate and divorce cases was probably not all that exciting a prospect.

newnamethanks · 01/06/2022 10:17

There are knighthood- arise, Sir Gavin - and peerages - ah, there you are Lord Goldsmith - to be handed out to the rabble left standing in the smouldering embers that will be the end of Johnson's cabal. If anyone is willing to stamp on the fingers that are clinging to that window ledge, a grateful nation waits.

Piggywaspushed · 01/06/2022 10:26

Dashdotdotdash · 01/06/2022 09:09

I find the contrast between Raab's and Grieve's approach really quite saddening. They're both lawyers. For good lawyers, concepts of right, justice and the rule of law become almost the fibre of their being, and no matter what their political affiliation they will not close their eyes to blatant law-breaking and trashing of rights. That is essentially Grieve's position. Raab, on the other hand, simply doesn't care about inconvenient concepts like that and puts his political career first.

But I find it really puzzling that he continues to do so when he is in a marginal seat and therefore he cannot hope to be re-elected if Johnson stays in power. He probably can't even if Johnson resigned tomorrow, but at least if distanced himself from Johnson he might be left with a few shreds of credibility and could hope to be parachuted into a safe seat. As matters stand, politicians who have defended Johnson are in distinct danger of going down with him. That's why certain politicians are conspicuous by their absence on breakfast telly on the many, many occasions when Johnson needs a stooge to defend him. But Raab is still mad enough to put himself out there. Maybe Johnson knows where some very inconvenient bodies are buried?

I just think Raab is very dim.

I am increasingly puzzled by all these dim lawyers. I thought you needed to be super-smart to read law at uni. Suella Braverman went to Cambridge and the Sorbonne. She can't be as thick as she seems.

Cornettoninja · 01/06/2022 11:05

I don’t think they’re dim, I think they think the public are dim. Whenever they’re challenged they reel off some prepared sound bite regardless of it’s relevance to the question. BJ does the same during PMQ’s (did you know we had the fastest vaccine rollout in Europe because of him).

They are well aware that if they repeat the same line enough that’s all that a significant percentage of the population will pay attention to and use that to their advantage. This is why they keep banging on about ‘getting on with the job’ - they know people are tired of hearing the constant bs and tune out the rest of the interview. I suppose it could be defined as brainwashing to an extent, it’s certainly cult like behaviour when used for deception and concealment.

Cornettoninja · 01/06/2022 11:10

Suella Braverman went to Cambridge and the Sorbonne. She can't be as thick as she seems

Shes not thick, she’s prepared to champion corruption to further her own ambitions and massage her own ego. Understanding ethics and legality is no indication of subscribing to them.

Notonthestairs · 01/06/2022 11:15

Don't mistake self interest for dimness.

And always keep an eye on who is bankrolling them!

newnamethanks · 01/06/2022 11:16

They're not dim, well, Fabricant and Francois maybe excepted, they're nasty. Nasty, smug, entitled and contemptuously nasty with self-interest firmly at the forefront of their motivation. We are there to do their bidding and if we'd just shut up, know our place - down there, thanks, with a wage cut - and let them get on with the important job of Moving On, everyone would be a lot happier.

prettybird · 01/06/2022 11:34

Ds is currently reading this:

Chums: How a Tiny Caste of Oxford Tories Took Over the UK https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1788167384/ref=cmswwrcppapiii_C3240C9359BHNVKGX41V

I've told him I want to read it when he finishes it.

derxa · 01/06/2022 11:44

Peregrina · 31/05/2022 23:05

Come on derxa - tell us which politicians you do have time for.

I will grant that none are perfect, because that is human nature - but I would like to think that the majority went into politics because they genuinely wanted to try to improve society.

Theresa May Harriet Harman Johnny Mercer. Keir Starmer actually if he would give up this TWAW stance

Blossomtoes · 01/06/2022 11:52

newnamethanks · 01/06/2022 08:15

@Notonthestairs Bowl of Beauty and Bartzella.

Gorgeous, thank you for your reminder. Tempted to change my name to Peonyfancier now!

I’m beginning to think I’m living in Wonderland now. How can Tory MPs not see that Johnson has become Labour’s strongest electoral asset? Are they putting something hallucogenic in their trough?

itsgettingweird · 01/06/2022 12:21

Cornettoninja · 01/06/2022 11:05

I don’t think they’re dim, I think they think the public are dim. Whenever they’re challenged they reel off some prepared sound bite regardless of it’s relevance to the question. BJ does the same during PMQ’s (did you know we had the fastest vaccine rollout in Europe because of him).

They are well aware that if they repeat the same line enough that’s all that a significant percentage of the population will pay attention to and use that to their advantage. This is why they keep banging on about ‘getting on with the job’ - they know people are tired of hearing the constant bs and tune out the rest of the interview. I suppose it could be defined as brainwashing to an extent, it’s certainly cult like behaviour when used for deception and concealment.

Absolutely agree.

The worrying thing is that it is effective in a large number of the population.

I have people spouting this crap to me. And I ask why their willing to sacrifice their freedoms whilst the government don't for these things and don't they think we should have had a government who followed the rules and did covid etc.

Most just reply that they're bored of it all now. Or kiers beers. 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Blossomtoes · 01/06/2022 12:28

The worrying thing is that it is effective in a large number of the population

Only anecdotally. The opinion polls show the opposite.

DuncinToffee · 01/06/2022 12:51

7 times the Met came to Boris Johnson’s rescue on Partygate

twitter.com/ByDonkeys/status/1531935642099372033?t=pE7WyAutbBzbjFkHDRef5Q&s=19

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