DCs have been told a nuclear attack is imminent

[RedChina]

By their 'D'F. I've name changed for obvious reasons.
Is it imminent? ExH thinks so. He hasn't told me but according to DS (6th form student) he has planned to send the DCs to the other side of the world !we are in the UK) to avoid the radiation fallout of a nuclear attack.
It came to light after I overheard a phone conversation/argument between DS & ex H.
I think there are many flaws in the exH plan, DS thinks his DF has gone mad.
Does anyone else know of others making nuclear war plans?

Your son's dad is being ridiculous.

Nuclear war discussion is a hot debate topic at the moment, for obvious reasons. Many others have made nuclear threats over the years but it would be foolish to try given the inevitable counter strike they'd receive.

We've put in measures in case of nuclear bombs. But we're in Sweden where doing so isn't weird and DH is a nuclear expert so saw it as an interesting intellectual weekend project. But if he told my kids it was imminent I'd be burying him in his bloody fallout shelter.

They wouldn't need to tell people. People in strike zone would be gone before they knew it. The 4 minute 'warning' would take longer than that to verify it was actually real.

People out of the strike zone would have a quarter of an hour to a couple of hours before fallout landed. Everyone would know it was coming. The government wouldn't be able to keep it quiet even if they tried.

These threads always remind me of the awful song Mark Owen did - “4 minute warning”.

I’ve had the bloody chorus in my head all morning.

We know mark Owens plans for a nuclear event from the video. just strut around the street signing a terrible song.

Singing, even. Although, it would save our ears in our last moment if he signed it instead.

This. Australian law will support your ex on this. It’s very chauvinist.

This. Australian law will support your ex on this. It’s very chauvinist.

I think the law is more about protecting the rights of those living in Australia with children born in Australia whose overseas born partners want to remove them to some country from where they are unlikely to return and which does not have and agreement with Australia to prevent the removal of Australian-born children.

Well, I hope that's the case @milkyaqua - friends of mine have different experiences, but I suppose every case is different. At 11 and 16, @RedChina's DC are old enough simply to refuse to go.

I do find this interesting though. So you get to the shelter, most of the world is obliterated. Then what? You still die, but more slowly than everyone else?

Not according to DH. If you're not in the blast zone and you can avoid the fallout for 2 weeks then you will survive. Life will be different, back to pre-industrial times, but it will go on.

Thank you to the posters who have given very good advice.

I'm not 'not acting'on this on this. After a sleepless night, I've been able to take emergency leave from work, although I had to work today.

I do think ex H is insane & believes that there will be a nuclear attack. The periods of insanity go in cycles, that's why he's an ex.

I will be making phone calls tomorrow, I assumed if a parent was making an application for citizenship both parents would need to sign the application form? It's obviously not the case, as I wasn't consulted.

Does that mean if he does manage to get them to Australia as Australian citizens I wouldn't have any legal rights to get them back to the UK?

He has their UK passports. I think the application for Australian passports is part of his forward thinking / planning.

Not just Australian born. There have been a number of women on mn who have emigrated with their U.K. born children and not been able been able to bring them back when their marriage has broken down.

The rules for returning children taken there without the consent of a parent are very different to those who have moved there with consent but then want to return.

The world has had nuclear weapons for nearly eighty years and they've mercifully only been used once, nearly eighty years ago. I don't see why this period of high tension should be any different to any of the other periods of high tension we've had. The really mad thing about M.A.D. is the fact it actually seems to work.

What if he told the Australian authorities you were dead/ missing/ had abandoned the children? Or if he took some other woman to sign in your name? These might not be possible, but there might be a way he can get around your consent.
As he has your children’s UK passports I think you have to get those cancelled ASAP. And get legal advice today on Prohibitive Steps Order.
He sounds seriously unwell.

I’ve got impression that it’s very difficult to take DC out of Australia without consent of both parents.
Also you can’t be sure that he will stay in UK , he might change his mind.

May be some useful info here?

britishexpats.com/wiki/Child_Custody_and_Australian_Immigration#Child_already_an_Australian_citizen_or_permanent_resident.3F

I assumed if a parent was making an application for citizenship both parents would need to sign the application form? It's obviously not the case, as I wasn't consulted

For children 15 and under:

Citizenship: only one parent needs to sign the application, there are no safeguarding checks.

Passport: both parents need to sign, there should be a safeguarding call to the absent parent if only one parent submits the application.

Why does your ex have the kids’ passports?

Under 15 year olds don’t need to attend the application appointment at the embassy, only the parent.

Children aged 16 and 17 years old must attend the interview, together with one parent. There should still be a safeguarding call for a 16 or 17 year old applicant.

Re reading yr earlier posts: why did he wants yr DS to fly to another country to apply for passports, how would that work?

Most likely to speed up processing times - maybe he got an appointment at another embassy much quicker than the U.K. one.

Going on what you’ve written, OP, it sounds like he’s having a mental health episode, as opposed to using the story of imminent nuclear attack to remove the kids from your care. It sounds like he truly believes the kids need Australian passports ASAP to safeguard them from future war/nuclear bombs.

He’s already got their U.K. passports so it would be much easier to go down the route of tricking you/them with a surprise holiday, and then not returning.

I think you need to take a more active role in these Australian passport applications (you should have seen the form for your signature by now, as both parents need to countersign in the presence of a witness). They can get their Australian passports, as long as you are the parent that submits the applications on their behalf, ensuring that your address is the one the passports are sent to.

FYI at the moment Australian passports are taking about 9 weeks to process from application date, plus the extra time required to be sent overseas.

@RedChina - I am an Aussie and suspect that he could very easily get the kids here on Aussie passports. I have travelled more than 20 times with all three of mine to and from the Netherlands and never been asked any questions about custody, etc. I think letting the Australian Consulate know that you have concerns about their DF taking the kids without your permission with Au Passports is a great idea. They should be able to flag them so that questions ARE asked at check-in. (This happened to a friend of mine in error, and the child in question was taken into a separate area and gently questioned by customs officers about both parents, etc. They were on US passports though.*And she’s not divorced or separated either.)

Doomsday clock was way nearer to midnight in 1983 and we survived.

Ex sounds unwell or manipulative or both, as for plans, only storing water and cash in case of ww3, as an actual blast is unlikely