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Ukraine Invasion: Part 24

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MagicFox · 05/05/2022 17:40

Welcome one and all and thanks again to everyone contributing

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MagicFox · 08/05/2022 09:41

Yeah that Michael Clarke article sums things up well and it's his last paragraph that resonates with me because it chimes with exactly what I'm worried about re May 9th. Putin will have to use rhetoric that extends beyond Ukraine. Russia against the world, basically (well, except those non-Nazi's that agree with Putin)

Ukraine Invasion: Part 24
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DFOD · 08/05/2022 09:42

Here is his speech from the Ukrainian Government Website

DFOD · 08/05/2022 09:44

Evil returns when human rights and the law are violated and culture is destroyed; this is exactly what happened to Russia - address by the President of Ukraine

Ukrainians!
Our defenders!
Last night, the Russian army fired a missile to destroy the Hryhorii Skovoroda Museum in the Kharkiv region. A missile. To destroy the museum. Museum of the philosopher and poet who lived in the XVIII century. Who taught people what a true Christian attitude to life is and how a person can get to know himself. Well, it seems that this is a terrible danger for modern Russia - museums, the Christian attitude to life and people's self-knowledge.
Every day of this war, the Russian army does something that is beyond words. But every next day it does something that makes you feel it in a new way.
Targeted missile strikes at museums - this is not even every terrorist can think of. But such an army is fighting against us. This is what they want to bring to other European countries.
As of May 7, the Russian army destroyed or damaged nearly 200 cultural heritage sites already.
Today, the invaders launched a missile strike at Odesa. At a city where almost every street has something memorable, something historical. But for the Russian army, it doesn't matter. They would only kill and destroy. Odesa? Kharkiv region? Donbas? They do not care.
Only the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the resistance of our people can stop this inhuman invasion. It's barbarism that has missiles, but has nothing to do with people.
Such actions of the Russian occupiers, especially on the eve of the Day of Remembrance of all victims of World War II and the Day of Victory over Nazism, should remind every state and every nation that it is impossible to defeat evil once and for all.
Unfortunately, evil tends to return when people disrespect other people's rights, disregard the law and destroy culture. This is exactly what happened to the Russian state. That is why we all have to defend ourselves now. Defend our people, our cities and even our museums, which are becoming targets for Russian missile strikes.
I am grateful to the teams of the International Committee of the Red Cross and the United Nations for helping us carry out the first phase of the Azovstal evacuation mission. More than 300 people were saved - women and children. Virtually, we evacuated civilians from Azovstal.
And we are now preparing the second stage of the evacuation mission - the wounded and medics. Of course, if everyone fulfills the agreements. Of course, if there are no lies.
Of course, we are also working to evacuate our military. All heroes who defend Mariupol. This is extremely difficult. But it is important. I'm sure everyone understands the root cause of this complication, as well as where the cause is located. But we do not lose hope. We do not stop. Every day we are looking for a diplomatic option that can work out.
Tomorrow, our team is preparing the further work of humanitarian corridors for all residents of Mariupol and surrounding settlements.
I held a meeting today on the activities of the executive branch. The main issues are economic. In particular, on providing Ukrainians with fuel. On overcoming the fuel shortage that arose after Russian missiles destroyed our Kremenchuk plant and oil depots across the country.
I heard reports on what is being done specifically to organize the supply of sufficient gasoline and other fuel types to Ukraine. The key task for government officials is to speed up the transportation of fuel from European ports to our consumers. The volume of such transportation should increase daily.
I also heard a report from the Minister of Finance on the execution of the state budget.
We are doing everything to ensure that the state fulfills all its social obligations despite the budget deficit and the deliberate destruction of our economy by the Russian army.
The preparation of the Post-War Recovery Plan was also discussed. This is a very large-scale task. But I have no doubt that we will implement it.
Today I was in Borodyanka, Kyiv region. Which is gradually returning to normal life.
Head of the President's Office Andriy Yermak together with Minister of Infrastructure Oleksandr Kubrakov inspected the restored railway bridge over the Irpin River - it is already open for transport. Today we can say that the cities and communities of the Kyiv region liberated from the occupiers are provided with normal transport connections.
I also traditionally signed decrees in the evening to award our defenders.
216 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were awarded state awards. The title of Hero of Ukraine was awarded to Colonel Oleh Irodiyovych Hehechkora (posthumously), Commander of the helicopter squadron of the 11th separate brigade of the army aviation of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Eternal glory to all who stood up for our state!
Eternal memory to everyone who gave life for Ukraine!
Glory to Ukraine!

Igotjelly · 08/05/2022 09:46

DFOD · 08/05/2022 09:44

Evil returns when human rights and the law are violated and culture is destroyed; this is exactly what happened to Russia - address by the President of Ukraine

Ukrainians!
Our defenders!
Last night, the Russian army fired a missile to destroy the Hryhorii Skovoroda Museum in the Kharkiv region. A missile. To destroy the museum. Museum of the philosopher and poet who lived in the XVIII century. Who taught people what a true Christian attitude to life is and how a person can get to know himself. Well, it seems that this is a terrible danger for modern Russia - museums, the Christian attitude to life and people's self-knowledge.
Every day of this war, the Russian army does something that is beyond words. But every next day it does something that makes you feel it in a new way.
Targeted missile strikes at museums - this is not even every terrorist can think of. But such an army is fighting against us. This is what they want to bring to other European countries.
As of May 7, the Russian army destroyed or damaged nearly 200 cultural heritage sites already.
Today, the invaders launched a missile strike at Odesa. At a city where almost every street has something memorable, something historical. But for the Russian army, it doesn't matter. They would only kill and destroy. Odesa? Kharkiv region? Donbas? They do not care.
Only the Armed Forces of Ukraine and the resistance of our people can stop this inhuman invasion. It's barbarism that has missiles, but has nothing to do with people.
Such actions of the Russian occupiers, especially on the eve of the Day of Remembrance of all victims of World War II and the Day of Victory over Nazism, should remind every state and every nation that it is impossible to defeat evil once and for all.
Unfortunately, evil tends to return when people disrespect other people's rights, disregard the law and destroy culture. This is exactly what happened to the Russian state. That is why we all have to defend ourselves now. Defend our people, our cities and even our museums, which are becoming targets for Russian missile strikes.
I am grateful to the teams of the International Committee of the Red Cross and the United Nations for helping us carry out the first phase of the Azovstal evacuation mission. More than 300 people were saved - women and children. Virtually, we evacuated civilians from Azovstal.
And we are now preparing the second stage of the evacuation mission - the wounded and medics. Of course, if everyone fulfills the agreements. Of course, if there are no lies.
Of course, we are also working to evacuate our military. All heroes who defend Mariupol. This is extremely difficult. But it is important. I'm sure everyone understands the root cause of this complication, as well as where the cause is located. But we do not lose hope. We do not stop. Every day we are looking for a diplomatic option that can work out.
Tomorrow, our team is preparing the further work of humanitarian corridors for all residents of Mariupol and surrounding settlements.
I held a meeting today on the activities of the executive branch. The main issues are economic. In particular, on providing Ukrainians with fuel. On overcoming the fuel shortage that arose after Russian missiles destroyed our Kremenchuk plant and oil depots across the country.
I heard reports on what is being done specifically to organize the supply of sufficient gasoline and other fuel types to Ukraine. The key task for government officials is to speed up the transportation of fuel from European ports to our consumers. The volume of such transportation should increase daily.
I also heard a report from the Minister of Finance on the execution of the state budget.
We are doing everything to ensure that the state fulfills all its social obligations despite the budget deficit and the deliberate destruction of our economy by the Russian army.
The preparation of the Post-War Recovery Plan was also discussed. This is a very large-scale task. But I have no doubt that we will implement it.
Today I was in Borodyanka, Kyiv region. Which is gradually returning to normal life.
Head of the President's Office Andriy Yermak together with Minister of Infrastructure Oleksandr Kubrakov inspected the restored railway bridge over the Irpin River - it is already open for transport. Today we can say that the cities and communities of the Kyiv region liberated from the occupiers are provided with normal transport connections.
I also traditionally signed decrees in the evening to award our defenders.
216 servicemen of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were awarded state awards. The title of Hero of Ukraine was awarded to Colonel Oleh Irodiyovych Hehechkora (posthumously), Commander of the helicopter squadron of the 11th separate brigade of the army aviation of the Ground Forces of the Armed Forces of Ukraine.
Eternal glory to all who stood up for our state!
Eternal memory to everyone who gave life for Ukraine!
Glory to Ukraine!

This is a different speech to what is on the Guardian.

JacquelineCarlyle · 08/05/2022 09:48

Glory to Ukraine.

Tillsforthrills · 08/05/2022 09:50

@DFOD @Ijsbear

Thank you I’ve read them both. Very moving 😢

DFOD · 08/05/2022 09:51

whoops the above was yesterday’s speech - this is today’s for remembrance day:

Address by the President of Ukraine on the Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation
8 May 2022 - 09:05

Can spring be black and white? Is there eternal February? Are golden words devalued? Unfortunately, Ukraine knows the answers to all these questions. Unfortunately, the answers are “yes”.
Every year on May 8, together with the entire civilized world, we honor everyone who defended the planet from Nazism during World War II. Millions of lost lives, crippled destinies, tortured souls and millions of reasons to say to evil: never again!
We knew the price our ancestors paid for this wisdom. We knew how important it is to preserve it and pass it on to posterity. But we had no idea that our generation would witness the desecration of the words, which, as it turned out, are not the truth for everyone.
This year we say "Never again" differently. We hear "Never again" differently. It sounds painful, cruel. Without an exclamation, but with a question mark. You say: never again? Tell Ukraine about it.
On February 24, the word "never" was erased. Shot and bombed. By hundreds of missiles at 4 am, which woke up the entire Ukraine. We heard terrible explosions. We heard: again!
The city of Borodyanka is one of the many victims of this crime! Behind me is one of many witnesses! Not a military facility, not a secret base, but a simple nine-story building. Can it pose a security threat to Russia, to 1/8 of the land, the world's second army, a nuclear state? Can anything be more absurd than this question? It can.
250kg high explosive bombs, with which the superpower shelled this small town. And it went numb. It cannot say today: never again! It cannot say anything today. But here everything is clear without words.
Just look at this house. There used to be walls here. They once had photos on them. And in the photos there were those who once went through the hell of war. Fifty men who were sent to Germany for forced labor. Those who were burned alive when the Nazis burned more than 100 houses here.
250 soldiers who died on the fronts of World War II, and a total of almost 1000 residents of Borodyanka who fought and defeated Nazism. To ensure: never again. They fought for the future of children, for the life that was here until February 24.
Imagine people going to bed in each of these apartments. They wish good night to each other. Turn off the light. Hug their loved ones. Close their eyes. They dream of something. There is complete silence. They all fall asleep, not knowing that not everyone will wake up. They sleep soundly. They have a dream of something pleasant. But in a few hours they will be awakened by missile explosions. And someone will never wake up again. Never again.
The word "never" was dropped from this slogan. Amputated during the so-called special operation. They stabbed a knife in the heart and, looking into the eyes, said: "It's not us!" Tortured with the words "not everything is so unambiguous." Killed "Never again", saying: "We can repeat."
And so it happened. And the monsters began to repeat. And our cities, which survived such a heinous occupation that 80 years are not enough to forget about it, saw the occupier again. And got the second date of occupation in their history. And some cities, such as Mariupol, got the third. During the two years of occupation, the Nazis killed 10,000 civilians there. In two months of occupation, Russia killed 20,000.
Decades after World War II, darkness returned to Ukraine. And it became black and white again. Again! Evil has returned. Again! In a different uniform, under different slogans, but for the same purpose. A bloody reconstruction of Nazism was organized in Ukraine. A fanatical repetition of this regime. Its ideas, actions, words and symbols. Maniacal detailed reproduction of its atrocities and "alibi", which allegedly give an evil sacred purpose. Repetition of its crimes and even attempts to surpass the "teacher" and move him from the pedestal of the greatest evil in human history. Set a new world record for xenophobia, hatred, racism and the number of victims they can cause.
Never again! It was an ode of a wise man! Anthem of the civilized world! But someone sang out of tune. Distorted "Never again" with notes of doubt. Silenced, beginning his deadly aria of evil. And this is clear to all countries that have seen the horrors of Nazism with their own eyes. And today they are experiencing a terrible deja vu. See it again!
All nations who have been branded "third-class", slaves without the right to their own state or to exist at all hear statements that exalt one nation and erase others with ease. They claim that you don't really exist, you are artificially created, and therefore you have no rights. Everyone hears the language of evil. Again!
And together they acknowledge the painful truth: we have not withstood even a century. Our Never again was enough for 77 years. We missed the evil. It was reborn. Again and now!
This is understood by all countries and nations who support Ukraine today. And despite the new mask of the beast, they recognized him. Because, unlike some, they remember what our ancestors fought for and against. They did not confuse the first with the second, did not change their places, did not forget.
The Poles didn’t forget, on whose land the Nazis began their march and fired the first shot of World War II. Didn't forget how evil first accuses you, provokes you, calls you an aggressor, and then attacks at 4:45 am saying it's self-defense. And they saw how it repeated on our land. They remember the Nazi-destroyed Warsaw. And they see what was done to Mariupol.
The British people did not forget how the Nazis wiped out Coventry, which was bombed 41 times. How the "Moonlight Sonata" from the Luftwaffe sounded, when the city was continuously bombed for 11 hours. How its historic center, factories, St. Michael's Cathedral were destroyed. And they saw missiles hit Kharkiv. How its historic center, factories and the Assumption Cathedral were damaged. They remember London being bombed for 57 nights in a row. Remember how V-2 hit Belfast, Portsmouth, Liverpool. And they see cruise missiles hit Mykolaiv, Kramatorsk, Chernihiv. They remember how Birmingham was bombed. And they see its sister city Zaporizhzhia being damaged.
The Dutch remember this. How Rotterdam became the first city to be completely destroyed when the Nazis dropped 97 tons of bombs on it.
The French remember this. Remember Oradour-sur-Glane, where the SS burned half a thousand women and children alive. Mass hangings in Tulle, the massacre in the village of Ascq. Thousands of people at a resistance rally in occupied Lille. They saw what was done in Bucha, Irpin, Borodyanka, Volnovakha and Trostyanets. They see the occupation of Kherson, Melitopol, Berdyansk and other cities where people do not give up. And thousands of them go to peaceful rallies, which are beyond the power of the occupiers, and all they can do is shoot at civilians.
The Czechs have not forgotten this. How in less than a day, the Nazis destroyed Lidice, leaving only ashes from the village. They saw Popasna destroyed. There are not even ashes left from it. The Greeks, who survived massacres and executions throughout the territory, the blockade and the Great Famine, have not forgotten.
This is remembered by Americans who fought evil on two fronts. Who passed Pearl Harbor and Dunkirk with the Allies. And together we are going through new, no less difficult battles.
This is remembered by all Holocaust survivors - how one nation can hate another.
Lithuanians, Latvians, Estonians, Danes, Georgians, Armenians, Belgians, Norwegians and many others have not forgotten this - all those who suffered from Nazism on their land and all those who defeated it in the anti-Hitler coalition.
Unfortunately, there are those who, having survived all these crimes, having lost millions of people who fought for victory and gained it, have desecrated the memory of them and their feat today.
The one who allowed the shelling of the cities of Ukraine from his land. The cities that, along with our ancestors, were liberated by his ancestors.
The one who spat in the face of his "Immortal Regiment", placing torturers from Bucha next to it.
And challenged all mankind. But forgot the main thing: any evil always ends the same - it ends.
Fellow Ukrainians!
Today, on the Day of Remembrance and Reconciliation, we pay homage to all those who defended their homeland and the world from Nazism. We note the feat of the Ukrainian people and their contribution to the victory of the anti-Hitler coalition.
Explosions, shots, trenches, wounds, famine, bombing, blockades, mass executions, punitive operations, occupation, concentration camps, gas chambers, yellow stars, ghettos, Babyn Yar, Khatyn, captivity, forced labor. They died so that each of us knows what these words mean from books, not from our own experience. But it happened differently. This is unfair to them all. But the truth will win. And we will overcome everything!
And the proof of this is called "Werewolf". This is Hitler's former headquarters and bunker near Vinnytsia. And all that is left of it is a few stones. Ruins. The ruins of a person who considered himself great and invincible. This is a guide for all of us and future generations. What our ancestors fought for. And proved that no evil can avoid responsibility. Will not be able to hide in the bunker. There will be no stone left of it. So we will overcome everything. And we know this for sure, because our military and all our people are descendants of those who overcame Nazism. So they will win again.
And there will be peace again. Finally again!
We will overcome the winter, which began on February 24, lasts on May 8, but will definitely end, and the Ukrainian sun will melt it! And we will meet our dawn together with the whole country. And family and loved ones, friends and relatives will be together again! Finally again! And over the temporarily occupied cities and villages our flag will fly again. Finally again! And we will get together. And there will be peace! Finally again! And no more black and white dreams, only a blue and yellow dream. Finally again! Our ancestors fought for this.
Eternal honor to all who fought against Nazism!
Eternal memory to all those killed during World War II!

TargusEasting · 08/05/2022 09:57

@DFOD Where have you seen reports of sex slaves? Not doubting this happening, just I must have missed this.

It was an article from about 3 weeks or so ago, probably relating to Bucha or Mariupol, that referred to women being kept in basements where Russian soldiers had stopped for several days. IIRC, several women became pregnant as a result.

If you step back and look at the wood for the trees, there is much similarity between Russian forces actions and that of ISIS. The Ukrainian identity is being wiped and Ukrainians are being treated as sub-human. Somewhere between Hitler's Nazis and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's ISIL sits Putin's Russian Army. That picture is emerging if you look for it.

TargusEasting · 08/05/2022 10:01

@DFOD I think that the May 9 speculation (like all of the speculation to date) around Putins words and actions is a deliberate distraction and a waste of headspace.

I totally agree. I have never given it headspace. For me the resonance of the piece is the long slog in the Donbas. I can see that war still being fought in 2030. For a variety of reasons, but mainly a military and political stalemate.

Tillsforthrills · 08/05/2022 10:02

I also read that the raping isn’t limited to women, they are raping men and boys too.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 08/05/2022 10:10

Christina Lamb has written about the rape of women and children by Russian soldiers in the Sunday Times today. Front page.

DFOD · 08/05/2022 10:11

m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=484&v=yp1sApQuTRI&feature=emb_logo

Here is a video of Zelenskys speech - in Ukrainian but powerful and emotive footage.

DFOD · 08/05/2022 10:17

TargusEasting · 08/05/2022 09:57

@DFOD Where have you seen reports of sex slaves? Not doubting this happening, just I must have missed this.

It was an article from about 3 weeks or so ago, probably relating to Bucha or Mariupol, that referred to women being kept in basements where Russian soldiers had stopped for several days. IIRC, several women became pregnant as a result.

If you step back and look at the wood for the trees, there is much similarity between Russian forces actions and that of ISIS. The Ukrainian identity is being wiped and Ukrainians are being treated as sub-human. Somewhere between Hitler's Nazis and Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi's ISIL sits Putin's Russian Army. That picture is emerging if you look for it.

Yes I am aware of the brutal atrocities of rape in this war but not heard (yet) of an organised sex slave system like the Comfort Women in WW11.

Igotjelly · 08/05/2022 10:22

It may be petty but the weather forecast for Moscow is shit for tomorrow. I really hope Putin is soaked through, cold and miserable! Hopefully he’ll catch such a chill it’ll make the old fucker drop dead with pneumonia.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 08/05/2022 10:28

This thread is now pretty much unreadable as very few of the links work on to the app on my phone. It's so frustrating. I posted about it on Site Stuff but never got a response from @MNHQ

Are others having the same problem?

Ijsbear · 08/05/2022 10:29

No system for it yet but I've heard that in mariupol the Chechens actively hunt for women and children to rape if they don't submit, death.

This not confirmed and that has to be kept in mind. But .. I believe it. Given the horror of their war, which was worse than this one because no one helped, ii suspect most of the restraining rules of civilised behaviour were eroded when the country was destroyed.

Igotjelly · 08/05/2022 10:33

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 08/05/2022 10:28

This thread is now pretty much unreadable as very few of the links work on to the app on my phone. It's so frustrating. I posted about it on Site Stuff but never got a response from @MNHQ

Are others having the same problem?

Yes me! My links always look fine when I wrote them and post them then when the site reloads it turns into some sort of code that’s unclickable.

And don’t get me started on the random bits of text being crossed out. Grrrrr!

Laze · 08/05/2022 10:36

You can also see his speech and video with English subtitles on his instagram page.

Thank you all, I never post but read this thread constantly.

prettybird · 08/05/2022 10:54

@BringBackCoffeeCreams The links work fine on my phone Confused. Using the MN iOS app (iPhone 7).

I never use the mobile version of the site and only rarely go onto the laptop to Mumsnet (usually just to access the BootCamp Spreadsheet of Fabulousness).

prettybird · 08/05/2022 10:59

....but the app always had, and still has, problems with random bits crossed out, I'd copying and pasting from elsewhere Confused

It's also struggling with bullet points/numbered lists (a new feature on the inept "upgrade"?) as they now just appear as a single paragraph with lots of incomprehensible code Hmm

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 08/05/2022 11:00

prettybird · 08/05/2022 10:54

@BringBackCoffeeCreams The links work fine on my phone Confused. Using the MN iOS app (iPhone 7).

I never use the mobile version of the site and only rarely go onto the laptop to Mumsnet (usually just to access the BootCamp Spreadsheet of Fabulousness).

I'm using a nokia. It's weird as the occasional link works but most can't even be clicked on to copy it. The same link works fine if I can use my Chromebook.

HeechulOppa · 08/05/2022 11:08

I’m seeing rumblings in Twitter that the 64th separated motorised brigade - the one responsible for Bucha - has been wiped out.

Good.

strawberriesarenot · 08/05/2022 11:16

Zelensky's speech.
I hope they can hear it in Russia.

thereisonlyoneofme · 08/05/2022 11:24

I wonder if he writes his own speeches or someone does it for him. Whoever, they are making me cry they are so powerful

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