Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Really not sure what to think tbh.

Oh here we go.
How'd you come to that conclusion?

I’d say that it’s actually the opposite. He’s the one who’s dragged her to court. She’s had no option other than to defend her position.

If she was acting, surely she would be doing a better job of it and be convincing? She can’t be that bad an actress. Therefore, the fact that she doesn’t seem especially believable or “as she should be” makes me think she is more likely to be telling the truth..

He is sitting right in front of her. That must be so intimidating. He seemed more “believable” and composed and was relaxed enough able to tell jokes and get a laugh in court; to play the part. Amber isn’t laughing and joking. She isn’t as likeable as him, so people don’t believe her.

I feel like I’m watching a teenage girl’s self-taped audition to try and “make it” in Hollywood.

I don't believe her,never had.
She's the one who abuses her partner's.
She's assaulted her sister.
She didn't give the divorce money to the charities like she claimed.

Shes mimicking everything cause she has no empathy.

The doctor testified to it. Bipolar and ADHD? Plus abusive parents.

I'll await the cross examination to make a decision.

It's one thing to answer when you know what's coming, it's a whole other ball game when you don't know what's coming.

I think Amber is very unlikeable but that doesn’t mean she isn’t telling the truth about being abused. It doesn’t help that she has been caught out lying already, such as with the charity donation, but that doesn’t mean she is lying about everything.

The cross examination will be interesting. I still think they both come across badly.

This is what I was thinking. I spent 2 years with a violent abuser and I haven’t seen him since 2020.

I could not describe in any depth what he did to me. I know how he hurt me, but I can’t remember context or what precluded the violence.

I am loathe to not believe a victim, but the depth in her memory does not correlate to what many victims, including myself, went through.

To be honest the whole thing has made a mockery of domestic abuse and has shown them in a bad light. I find it hard to believe her when some of her lies have been called out, the constant recording almost setting up fights and gaslighting JD does not show her in a good light. But then seeing some of the texts and bruises doesn't show him a good light either. I hope they both sort themselves out for their children's sake.

A conclusion with a question mark? No.

What makes me wonder if she is autistic or ND? Her mannerisms.

This

You can be charming and charismatic and also alcoholic and abusive. You can be a not very nice person and also a victim of abuse. I have no idea what the situation is between these two though.

I was fairly sure that Kate moss once said that she had endured an abusive relationship and had been abused. She didn't name the man but I was under the impression she was talking about Johnny Depp. Wasn't it something to do with a hotel room?

I can remember the first time my ex DH hit me. I can remember a lot Actually and it was 18 years ago now.

I can remember the time I lost my hearing for a week, the time my nose wouldn't stop bleeding, the time I called the police and they woke each of my ( now grown up ) children in bed to check on their welfare.

I haven't been watching the trial - I don't know who bears the culpability with regards to abuse. I'm inclined to think it was both of them but the amount of sheer wankery that's being spouted about AH on this thread i astounding.

I'm sure she's an arsehole, I'm sure he is too - a pair of super rich, spoilt pricks who were frankly no good for each other or any one else by the looks of it.

i feel uncomfortable viewing it - like eavesdropping into another person’s private life - but it is morbidly fascinating.

What I don’t get is why; if you’re genuinely in fear of someone and their unpredictability, you would buy them a socking great knife as a present? If you knew they were struggling with alcohol , why you would buy them a crate of wine and if they abused drugs, you would willingly join them on their binges?

Yes, exactly, I blocked so many things.
Now I have left I keep dreaming about stuff I had forgotton. No way I could recount it all word for word, it was a coping mechanism.

I don't think its on to call her ugly at all, regardless of your thoughts on her

My reason for disbelieving her is because she has seemingly spent months trying to set him up.

I know with my violent ex that there is no way I would have risked my life antagonising him to try and record one of his rages. There's not a chance I would have risked taking photos or videos of him to save for a later date. Especially as he (and JD, if she is to be believed) was very controlling and would have looked through my phone at any given time.

She isn't coming across well giving her evidence, many of us wouldn't, but I know when I am telling someone what my ex did to me, my actions are what I did, and not what he did (if that makes sense), also when she was giving her rehearsed monologue she was very confused and began stuttering when she had to leave out what JDs daughter said, it was like she had her whole story planned out and struggled to get it out when elements had to be taken out.

Was their relationship toxic - absolutely.

Do I think AH is an innocent victim- I don't.

Do I think JD is an innocent victim - I don't.

My overwhelming feeling is that this whole case is going to be damaging to DV victims, this will be repeatedly brought up as a means of discrediting victims, just as Roxanne Pallete on CBB was.

There are no real winners in this case.

I agree. I'm looking forward to her testimony and the cross to get a feeling of what is going on.

But when she first took the stand and was doing pauses and half sobs whilst turning to the jury, it just felt so fake. I felt embarrassed for her. But I might be wrong so it'll be interesting to see how this develops.

What mannerisms?

She sounds scripted but she's spectacularly bad at delivering her lines. Seeing her expression at times makes me feel there is some very thinly veiled contempt bubbling under her attempt to appear plausible. In one clip on the news tonight she actually looked as though she was about to snarl

@Wagsandclaws 💐I’m sorry you have been through that.

I was going to say something similar - sometimes the only way victims can talk about the abuse they have suffered is by dissociating from it.

It means that their evidence comes across as flat and over-rehearsed.

And sometimes it IS over-rehearsed, because they have to still themselves to deliver it is and so they practise and practise util it flows - but is emotionless.

All of that and yet she went on to marry him.

No way is she telling the truth. There will be some truths but she has spun it and spun it and spun it.

It actually looks like you are watching a tv drama while she is talking. It doesn’t look like real life

I absolutely believe her. I’ve read up a lot about this. Johnny had a history of violence dispute what the press and fans say. Jennifer Grey and Ellen Barkin have both said so. Winona Ryder has requested from a prosecutor to have her previous comments removed so her previous comment about Johnny being kind does not appear in court (in another interview years ago she stated that her boyfriend when she was 18 liked to smash things. That was Johnny. He smashed up a hotel room with Kate Moss and these are the things we know about in the press). He is close friends with Manson who is an abuser and Josh Homme who has been in court accuse of domestic abuse and whose own kids have a restraining order against him). This is another case of rich men being able to do whatever they want. Amber is not what we expect an abused woman to look like and she’s suffering for this. She might not be a nice person. She might be argumentative. She might have hit Johnny. She’s also a DV victim.