Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Really not sure what to think tbh.

The video is massively edited (the person who posted this says as much in the intro) and actually I do not believe it proves much beyond Depp’s team being absolutely used to cleaning up after him. And making excuses / apportioning blame. The person posting is also massively biased.

it’s quite a horrifying listen for a whole load of reasons.

This is example I'm talking about, the speaking is very clear so definitely not able to be manipulated, she doesn't sound like she knows she is being recorded !

JD: "There can be no physical violence"
AH: "I cant promise you that"
AH: "I cant promise you I wont get physical again"
AH: "I fucking sometimes get so mad...I lose it"

So who is recording? And if it’s Depp, then surely your own argument also applies - he sounds ok, she doesn’t?

Yes it does, however it's obvious what amber is saying here is basically I can't stop abusing u? Or I can't help cauing physical violence or how ever u interpret that

Is this the same recording where Depp says

‘I left last night. Honestly, I swear to you because I just couldn't take the idea of more physicality, more physical abuse on each other,'

Which both parties agreed to record?

I've read at least 2 threads on here in the past year where women have said that they do that exact thing. Follow their abuser around the house and then get pushed/hit etc.

I didn't hear the feet story but it's definitely possible to walk normally on cut and bloody feet if you need to for short periods!! I know because I've done it 😅

It's not guaranteed that you'd die after 8-10 MDMA tablets.

And as for adding in the extra detail, I'm not sure what she was asked in those statements in court but i'm sure she would have went over it all before and probably would have been asked for all of those irrelevant extra details to build a picture of the scene.

So you can understand his reactions because you identify with his reactions, but yet people on here keep saying that everything about Ambers behaviour is wrong and not how a distressed/abused etc person would act even though there's many people who were abused who also said they can identify with some of ambers behaviour!
Someone mentioned earlier how she switches from laughing to sad and says no one does that. I have done that while under extreme stress and have witnessed other people doing it.

It's not realistic that she posed for a photo. More likely she's making sure there's nothing in her nose, it was 2-3 seconds, she's well used to getting her photo taken and wouldn't need to pose for that long at all. Watch her on the red carpet, they pose for a split second then onto the next pose. No one needs to pose for anything in that kind of situation anyway because a split second will be caught on camera and screenshotted.

I didn't hear the feet story but it's definitely possible to walk normally on cut and bloody feet if you need to for short periods

If you had cut and bloody feet, wouldn't a doctor and a nurse see that when they examined you? If they noticed scratches on your arm, you'd expect they'd see your feet were cut up. However, in this case, neither did.

As I said, I didn't hear the feet story, did she get a full examination?

Is this the same incident where he was supposed to have written 'I love u' in blood with his severed finger?

The only audio I’ve heard about the finger incident is one where he says ‘the night I cut my finger off’. I don’t think he or some of his team came across well under examination. A lot of them are employed by him and have their whole lifestyle funded by him.

It will be interesting to see if the team Amber employed - the people whose lifestyle she funded will show up and be loyal to her. She had assistants, agents, managers, therapists...long before she met Johnny. She also paid for her sister and friends lifestyles so they too should all be very loyal to her. We will see who will show up out of loyalty to Amber and what they will say.

It was the same incident. She had testified that the floor was covered in broken glass and that he dragged her naked body across the glass holding her by the hair and that she had to crawl and walk on the broken glass and this resulted in cuts all over her body and feet. A doctor and nurse both attended shortly after the incident and neither Amber nor the medical professionals comment on anything other than her emotional state and the need for a sedative to calm her down. Amber walks around the house during this time and is packing clothes and talking with various members of the house staff as they are trying to talk her into leaving and flying back to LA to separate the two of them.

Right, but it seems Johnny was writing messages with his bloody finger saying "I love u" and also did graffiti in paint (I think he may have used the tip of his severed finger dipped in paint as a paintbrush, I didn't see him deny that).

So he clearly was acting like a lunatic, he put it down to having a breakdown due to the abuse but obviously he would say that, equally or more likely that he was in some kind of drug fuelled rage like Amber said.

If Amber suffers from histrionic personality disorder as has been said then she would have exaggerated injuries or incidents, but that doesn't mean that no violence occurred.

Obviously it's going to make people far less likely to believe her though.

Yes, I don't think there is any question he was writing in blood and paint on the walls with his severed finger. He is known for damaging property. That doesn't equate to being violent towards her. There are quite a few accounts over the years (and pre Amber) of him damaging property but those haven't led to physical violence. They both used a lot of drugs and he definitely was in a drug addled state.

@Midlifemusings
I wouldn't equate writing in blood on the wall with damaging property.
It's another level entirely.

My ex would smash up the house etc, that's damaging property.
While he never severed a finger he has definitely been bleeding at times, bleeding knuckles or superficial self harm marks on his arms etc.

Damaging the property was scary enough, but had he started writing messages on the walls and mirrors with the blood from his injuries 😳As I said that's another level and he would have had to go beyond the level he was at of rage or madness or being out of it to do that!

Damaging property is relatively 'normal' and common enough for an aggressive man, by that I mean most people know someone who has done it, have witnessed it or at least heard about men they know smashing up property, but writing with their own severed finger or blood is extremely unusual and bizarre behaviour.

@Moser85

I do agree it is out of the realm of ordinary for most - however it seems he had written on walls before and interestingly in this occasion Amber went and wrote on the mirrors over his notes with lipstick. The whole thing has tinges of madness.

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Copious amounts of drug's have been taken , people don't take drugs to stay rooted in sanity!

It was the same incident. She had testified that the floor was covered in broken glass and that he dragged her naked body across the glass holding her by the hair and that she had to crawl and walk on the broken glass and this resulted in cuts all over her body and feet. A doctor and nurse both attended shortly after the incident and neither Amber nor the medical professionals comment on anything other than her emotional state and the need for a sedative to calm her down. Amber walks around the house during this time

Presumably they were a bit distracted by the severed finger and blood everywhere.
Do you know if she was examined? What clothes and shoes she was wearing that could have covered up other injuries?

Jerry Judge can be heard in the recording talking about the cuts to her arms which he's convinced are self-inflicted.

I'm no more of a self-harm expert than Judge but the location of those cuts seems more consistent with e.g. having your forearms against a surface with glass on than with cutting oneself deliberately. Particularly for a celebrity who was conscious of being photographed.

So there is in fact contemporaneous evidence that she had injuries which match her description of the attack.

The fact that no other injuries were specifically noted means nothing really. They wouldn't necessarily be visible. They might be deliberately hidden. And it's clear from the audio they weren't focused on Amber's welfare but Johnny's; this is also the expert medical team that felt it was appropriate to allow Amber to supervise Johnny's detox alone btw.

A healthy young girl being assigned a nurse?? Meds??

Dr kipper giving her sexy lingerie for her wedding?? whole thing sounds like sunset boulevard?

It certainly sounds ethically questionable!

What makes you think she was healthy? She had therapists before she met Johnny. She had childhood trauma. The nurses were mental health nurses. And she wasn't a young girl. Nor are 26 men year olds young boys.

Midlife!

Come on ..if she was so "vulnerable" mentally that she needed a nurse assigned to her to be with her all the time then we need to question was she of sound mind to even be with him!
I'd expect someone needing a constant Nurse to be extremely vulnerable??

Agreed. It's laughable that he keeps being framed as a "southern gentleman".

She didn't have a nurse assigned to be with her at all times! Many wealthy people like Johnny use concierge health care. They contract a service and whenever they want any form of health care, that health care comes to them. The nurses all worked for Turning Point - a concierge nursing service contracted by Dr Kipper - who himself was a concierge physician. Dr Kipper and Nurse Debbie travelled with Johnny sometimes as part of an addition / sober coaching team. (Not very successfully!) No one travelled everywhere with Amber - her main nurse was Erin and she was available to her but didn't travel everywhere with her. These people have everyone at their fingertips for when they need them. They have them because they are rich, not vulnerable. Amber was on psych meds and used concierge medicine for her monitoring and dose adjustments.