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Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Meltinthemiddle · 04/05/2022 20:06

Really not sure what to think tbh.

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Justcallmeanatm · 07/05/2022 03:16

Sorry but I cannot believe she is telling the truth she is acting imo does not sound genuine at all

Dreamwhisper · 07/05/2022 03:29

I have been avoiding this trial as it's so sad to hear of a woman potentially doing this after being an outspoken advocate for women turn out like this.

But, on balance I believe the evidence stacks against her.

What's strange is I have personal experience of a woman acting exactly like this so I do know it is possible. I don't want to give details as it's so distasteful and awful but due to the knowledge of their social media handle I can also see that this person posts graphicly detailed, entirely fictitious accounts of SA, DV and abuse. I have come to the conclusion that some women fetishize their own victimhood and get gratification from doing so.

Just in case anyone was wondering the man in the above example that this woman does this about is my partner (long term, no violence or cruelty ever in our 9 year relationship while they were together for max 2 years) and I have seen messages to him confirming that there wasn't abuse (as in in an argument about other things she made it clear he was never violent) so I know beyond any doubt the awful stuff she is writing is completely made up. The irony is she is actually very physically aggressive just like allegedly Amber is.

It's very distressing to see someone able to be so callous as to be able to lie about something like this and be willing to destroy somebody's life over this.

garlicandsapphires · 07/05/2022 07:46

I don’t believe her. At all.

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BigFatLiar · 07/05/2022 07:47

I have been avoiding this trial as it's so sad to hear of a woman potentially doing this after being an outspoken advocate for women turn out like this

I'm with you on this @Dreamwhisper
I've seen and read bits of it and like you try to avoid most of it. There was a clip which purports to show her practising her crying and breaking down prior to her testimony. Her articles and story are reported to have been prepared partly by the ACLU. I don't for a moment think JD is a hero, he is an addict and drunk and they aren't often nice people. She however comes across as a manipulative and abusive person. I think she has been trying to form a new career as a speaker on abuse and violence and needs the façade of victim. Not to say an abuser can't be a victim as well. The ACLU and DV groups that have taken her to heart have not done themselves any favours and have probably put their case back some way.

TgTops · 07/05/2022 08:05

garlicandsapphires · 07/05/2022 07:46

I don’t believe her. At all.

How original

Heyduggee123 · 07/05/2022 08:31

youvegottenminuteslynn · 07/05/2022 00:32

yes he smashes things up but that's not what she's accusing him of

The case is JD accusing AH of lying when she says she was a victim of his abuse.

Whether or not she also abused him does not form part of the jury's verdict.

The jury will decide whether or not it is a lie that JD was ever a perpetrator of abuse towards AH.

He cannot win this case so I can only imagine his goal is to convince people she was also abusive in an attempt to settle the score in his head.

But whether she was abusive is not part of the trial. He is not suing her for abuse. He is suing her for saying he abused her as he says this is a lie.

Even if you think he never hit her but concede that he smashed things up near her, verbally abused her (calling her names etc which is all on record) etc, then as a member of the jury you would have to rule against him and say that he cannot successfully sue her for calling him an abuser because he has at some point abused her in some way.

She may have done so too. She may have done so worse. That isn't what is on trial here.

Totally agree, he clearly knows he can’t win but wanted all of the evidence out in the public. He basically wants to destroy her the way he think she destroyed him.

I find her really quite unbelievable but I am also sad that these two clearly very damaged individuals have resorted to this.

absolutely no winners here

Trixiefirecracker · 07/05/2022 08:49

BigFatLiar · 07/05/2022 07:47

I have been avoiding this trial as it's so sad to hear of a woman potentially doing this after being an outspoken advocate for women turn out like this

I'm with you on this @Dreamwhisper
I've seen and read bits of it and like you try to avoid most of it. There was a clip which purports to show her practising her crying and breaking down prior to her testimony. Her articles and story are reported to have been prepared partly by the ACLU. I don't for a moment think JD is a hero, he is an addict and drunk and they aren't often nice people. She however comes across as a manipulative and abusive person. I think she has been trying to form a new career as a speaker on abuse and violence and needs the façade of victim. Not to say an abuser can't be a victim as well. The ACLU and DV groups that have taken her to heart have not done themselves any favours and have probably put their case back some way.

I think they are coached what to say and how to say it and even what they should wear.

happinessischocolate · 07/05/2022 09:24

^* this case is not about proving if AH was an abuser - but disproving JD was an abuser, which he will never disprove.

What evidence do you need exactly before you believe her? Is it the same level of evidence you need before you believe JD?*^

But the title of this thread is "anyone watching Amber Heard take the stand" and the OP is "I'm not sure what to think" which is why im talking about AH and whether i believe her rather than whether or not JD will win the case.

If a friend, neighbour or colleague told me their partner was abusing them, and then showed me loads of photos and videos as evidence but none of them actually showed any evidence of abuse I would find it hard to believe them, especially if the footage and voice recordings actually seemed to indicate that it was them that was actually abusive. That doesn't then mean, that I automatically believe anything their partner says, it just means I don't believe them.

I know of someone who accused her boyfriend of punching her several times in the face and giving her a black eye, her proof of this was to show a picture of her broken phone case and broken false nails. She's also posted on fb 2 days after the "incident" and must have had very good makeup on to cover up the black eye.

Newrunner29 · 07/05/2022 10:50

happinessischocolate · 07/05/2022 09:24

^* this case is not about proving if AH was an abuser - but disproving JD was an abuser, which he will never disprove.

What evidence do you need exactly before you believe her? Is it the same level of evidence you need before you believe JD?*^

But the title of this thread is "anyone watching Amber Heard take the stand" and the OP is "I'm not sure what to think" which is why im talking about AH and whether i believe her rather than whether or not JD will win the case.

If a friend, neighbour or colleague told me their partner was abusing them, and then showed me loads of photos and videos as evidence but none of them actually showed any evidence of abuse I would find it hard to believe them, especially if the footage and voice recordings actually seemed to indicate that it was them that was actually abusive. That doesn't then mean, that I automatically believe anything their partner says, it just means I don't believe them.

I know of someone who accused her boyfriend of punching her several times in the face and giving her a black eye, her proof of this was to show a picture of her broken phone case and broken false nails. She's also posted on fb 2 days after the "incident" and must have had very good makeup on to cover up the black eye.

I think ur last point is a good point

"What evidence do you need exactly before you believe her? Is it the same level of evidence you need before you believe JD?"

I would answer yes I need same level of evidence, his photos in Australia when he's lying on hospital bed is an example , I would want the same level of evidence for amber, the photos are a lot of time not even of the same part of the body she is explaining, and the photos are not reliable, there is a court order that her side has refused , to provide the metadate for the photos (show if edited, when the date was etc)

www.fairfaxcounty.gov/circuit/sites/circuit/files/assets/documents/pdf/high-profile/depp%20v%20heard/cl-2019-2911-plaintiff-mot-sanctions-3-22-2022.pdf

This is the actual document showing she is obviously not providing that for a reason. Which seems obvious!

Pinkyxx · 07/05/2022 10:56

Midlifemusings · 06/05/2022 13:38

The audio isn't great in this video but it is an interesting listen. This is a recording from Amber's phone right after the glass fight in Australia - the one where she said she was dragged across broken glass, cut her feet up, punched repeatedly, and violated with the bottle and the one where his finger got cut off. This is the immediate aftermath as the doctor (Kipper) and nurse (Debbie) have arrived and the housemanager (Ben) and head of security (Jerry) are there with Amber and Johnny to deal with the aftermath. During part of it Johnny's sister (Christi) is on the phone with Jerry but you can't really hear her side. They are initially trying to find the end of Johnny's finger. Amber knows it is being recorded as she is recording it but the others don't know. Johnny isn't really in the recording other than one comment in the beginning and there is a little with Amber at the end but during most of the recording she is upstairs in a bedroom. It is interesting as much of the tape is the medical team and household staff talking about the situation and about Johnny and Amber in an informal environment of the home. We haven't gotten to hear the perspectives of these people before so I found it an interesting perspective. Won't share my own feelings about it but it is worth a listen to get a sense of what it was like at that moment in time.

@Midlifemusings Thank you for sharing. I found it very difficult to understand. This audio is of the incident where Amber described significant physical injuries & cuts all over her body from being dragged across broken glass and having sexually assaulted yet no one present seemed to be aware of these injuries. If she was bleeding and cut everywhere surely they would have been getting her to hospital as well, no? Curious if this audio submitted as evidence for the trial..

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 07/05/2022 11:00

I agree @Newrunner29 If they have nothing to hide, why not allow it. It seems strange to claim things happen but have so little evidence and the evidence that there is, they are refusing to allow it to be checked to ensure it hasn't been doctored in any way. It shows there's something amiss.

Newrunner29 · 07/05/2022 11:07

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 07/05/2022 11:00

I agree @Newrunner29 If they have nothing to hide, why not allow it. It seems strange to claim things happen but have so little evidence and the evidence that there is, they are refusing to allow it to be checked to ensure it hasn't been doctored in any way. It shows there's something amiss.

I will say I don't belive a person who is being abused needs photos for me to belive them. I'm saying if a person is quite prolific in taking photos of her 'abuser' there wouldn't be a reasonable reason why she couldn't turn the camera around and take a photo of herself. It actually I would think be safer!

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 07/05/2022 11:11

No I get that and i don't think they do either. However, with her taking as many pictures as she did, I'm surprised she didn't take them off herself. Even if there had been a photo of the blood and cuts on her feet or on the floor. Yet nothing. Its just a bit off.

Newrunner29 · 07/05/2022 11:11

I can't find original photo as don't want to rely on twitter but the sun newspaper edited her photo on their front page to make it look worse than it was. On Thursday 2nd june 2016, when calling out depp being an abuser. If the photo clearly showed he was, they wouldn't have felt the need to make worse. Its pretty disgusting actually, also there was an American newspaper edited court photos of her to show tears, (not saying u nessasery need tear if crying, I mean I've never cried without tears ) but I think it's quite revealing , people feel they need to edit her photos to show more as what she has isn't enough

Newrunner29 · 07/05/2022 11:15

The think the answer is very obvious and it's horrific! I was totally in the camp , they r as bad as each other , when I first heard about this case as I'm fan of neither. After watching the case and seeing the evidence and also listening to all recordings I'm definitely of opinion that she totally was the abuser and is trying to frame him. The fact the court order to show metatdata on photos has just been ignored and refused speaks volumes.

FixitJesus · 07/05/2022 11:26

TgTops · 07/05/2022 08:05

How original

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Why are you bothered?

PlasticineMeg · 07/05/2022 11:48

QuotetheLaw · 07/05/2022 01:46

@PlasticineMeg I'm not sure how much more I can explain this. Yes it is all abuse, I have never said any different. My point was you can't automatically conclude someone is a "wife beater" based on them smashing up property.

No is claiming smashing up furniture is all he did. Do some research maybe as to why the UK judge rules that The Sun describing him was a wife beater was considered a probably truth. Then come back and tell us you believe he wasn’t a wife beater

PlasticineMeg · 07/05/2022 11:52

It’s so grim that people are using this case to validate the shitty behaviour of their own partners and how they may have acted in the last. God some things women will do to ‘win’ a man. Why set the bar so low that you’re tripping over it?!

PlasticineMeg · 07/05/2022 11:53

Even sadder is that the pick-me’s jump to say ‘women can be….’ Because of the (mostly misperceptions) of one woman, but they are the first to cry ‘not all men!’ In the face of statistics about how violent men really are.

was it Germaine Greer who said “Women can’t begin to understand how much men hate them”?

PlasticineMeg · 07/05/2022 11:54

BigFatLiar · 07/05/2022 07:47

I have been avoiding this trial as it's so sad to hear of a woman potentially doing this after being an outspoken advocate for women turn out like this

I'm with you on this @Dreamwhisper
I've seen and read bits of it and like you try to avoid most of it. There was a clip which purports to show her practising her crying and breaking down prior to her testimony. Her articles and story are reported to have been prepared partly by the ACLU. I don't for a moment think JD is a hero, he is an addict and drunk and they aren't often nice people. She however comes across as a manipulative and abusive person. I think she has been trying to form a new career as a speaker on abuse and violence and needs the façade of victim. Not to say an abuser can't be a victim as well. The ACLU and DV groups that have taken her to heart have not done themselves any favours and have probably put their case back some way.

What clips? Can you show us? Or do you mean her deposition?

ElenaSt · 07/05/2022 12:04

Personally I believe it was six of one and half a dozen of the other.

The court case is about her saying she was abused and yes he was vile and abused her her but that doesn't take away that she was also deeply unpleasant.

They were both physically and emotionally abusive and it seems to be a circle of him starting in her one day and she on him the next.

All this stuff about how lovely he was to previous partners is irrelevant as some people really do bring out the worst in each other.

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 07/05/2022 12:10

PlasticineMeg · 07/05/2022 11:53

Even sadder is that the pick-me’s jump to say ‘women can be….’ Because of the (mostly misperceptions) of one woman, but they are the first to cry ‘not all men!’ In the face of statistics about how violent men really are.

was it Germaine Greer who said “Women can’t begin to understand how much men hate them”?

No one is saying men are abused as much as women, yes women are the majority victims in statistics, but not the ONLY victims. Men can be victims too.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 07/05/2022 12:11

@BigFatLiar

There was a clip which purports to show her practising her crying and breaking down prior to her testimony.

Clips showing her 'practicing her crying and breaking down'? Can you share links please?

Newrunner29 · 07/05/2022 12:14

PlasticineMeg · 07/05/2022 11:48

No is claiming smashing up furniture is all he did. Do some research maybe as to why the UK judge rules that The Sun describing him was a wife beater was considered a probably truth. Then come back and tell us you believe he wasn’t a wife beater

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Yes I definitely suggest everyone reads the judge ruling in the official court document and see if u feel he was a fair and balanced judge!

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/Judgment-FINAL.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwjEmITloM33AhXUbsAKHQX-DDEQFnoECAkQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0lRotcsL4_4EEUOB2iaqK8

PlasticineMeg · 07/05/2022 12:21

Butitsnotfunnyisititsserious · 07/05/2022 12:10

No one is saying men are abused as much as women, yes women are the majority victims in statistics, but not the ONLY victims. Men can be victims too.

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Not one person has said they haven’t so I’m not sure why you’ve replied to my comment with that?
My comment was about the annoyance of using one woman for people who say “women can be just as bad” or “this shows how manipulative women can be”. It takes one woman to apparently disparage our sex yet for the millions of men who rape, murder and beat women, we STILL give them the benefit of doubt