Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Really not sure what to think tbh.

yes he smashes things up but that's not what she's accusing him of

The case is JD accusing AH of lying when she says she was a victim of his abuse.

Whether or not she also abused him does not form part of the jury's verdict.

The jury will decide whether or not it is a lie that JD was ever a perpetrator of abuse towards AH.

He cannot win this case so I can only imagine his goal is to convince people she was also abusive in an attempt to settle the score in his head.

But whether she was abusive is not part of the trial. He is not suing her for abuse. He is suing her for saying he abused her as he says this is a lie.

Even if you think he never hit her but concede that he smashed things up near her, verbally abused her (calling her names etc which is all on record) etc, then as a member of the jury you would have to rule against him and say that he cannot successfully sue her for calling him an abuser because he has at some point abused her in some way.

She may have done so too. She may have done so worse. That isn't what is on trial here.

I see so you are qualifying your disturbingly ignorant post with more ignorant claims. Gotcha 👌

And considering HE brought the case to court for reasons that, presumably, aren’t funny

Smashing things up is of course a form of DV, I never said any different but just because someone smashes things does not mean they beat women up

If they do it in anger with a partner present it does mean they commit domestic violence though.

Which means he cannot win this case.

The case isn't based on whether he has specifically punched her etc, the case is based on whether she has ever been a victim of domestic abuse from JD.

@50ShadesOfCatholic So are you saying that smashing up one's own property is the same as assault and battery? I'm not understanding your hostility and sarcasm on the subject.

That is correct but I am sure she made claims in the article that she was physically and sexually abused. Not 100% sure though.

Depp isn’t mentioned by name in the op-ed, but his legal team has argued that it contains a “clear implication that Mr Depp is a domestic abuser”, which it says is “categorically and demonstrably false”.
JD needs to prove that he has categorically not been the perpetrator of any domestic abuse towards AH to win this case.

Whether the abuse was mutual, or her abuse of him was worse, is immaterial in the outcome of this case.

Therefore I can't see any way legally that he can win as even the recordings, photos / videos of smashed up rooms etc and his own admissions show verbal abuse and smashing stuff up in anger etc - all domestic abuse.

Exactly.

Oh but we must be wrong because she’s wearing a conservative outfits like a lying butch she is

Your point being…?

@PlasticineMeg My point being exactly what I wrote, that smashing up property (whilst a horrible and aggressive act in itself) is not assault and battery of a woman.

But all addicts ARE abusers on some level.

and this case is not about proving if AH was an abuser - but disproving JD was an abuser, which he will never disprove.

What evidence do you need exactly before you believe her? Is it the same level of evidence you need before you believe JD?

But it is domestic abuse.

And he has demonstrably done those things around and to AH.

And if JD has committed domestic abuse against AH, he cannot win this case.

It’s her property too. And yes displaying violent actions in front of a spouse is abusive.

I think this is an opportune time to ask you how YOU would feel if your OB started smashing doors and cupboards, breaking glasses and pouring goblets of wine in the morning to drink?

*OH

@youvegottenminuteslynn I know, I never said any different. He most likely will not win the case but she is also counter-suing so I also hope she does not win either as she also abused him horrifically.

Apologies, your messages have (to me) repeatedly read as if you feel he should win the case which is what I had taken issue with as I didn't understand how you could think he wasn't a perpetrator of domestic abuse, even if you believe she is too.

@PlasticineMeg I have not said in any of my posts that it is not domestic abuse. I have repeatedly said that you cannot call someone a "wife beater" based upon smashing up property.

I wouldn't be with someone who smashed things up to that extent. My own DH has punched walls out of frustration with the bad times he has been through but this is usually outside on the brick wall. That doesn't bother me as it's an outlet but if he was smashing the house up then he would be gone.

@youvegottenminuteslynn Apologies if it came across that way. I don't see how he can win the case if it is solely based on the broad umbrella of domestic abuse because his name calling of her and the aggressive acts of destroying property would constitute abuse.

@QuotetheLaw

My own DH has punched walls out of frustration with the bad times he has been through but this is usually outside on the brick wall. That doesn't bother me as it's an outlet but if he was smashing the house up then he would be gone.

Ah perhaps this is part of why you take a different stance on this to others of us.

If my partner punched brick walls in frustration I would be frightened of him as he would be unable to contain and control his anger.

You say 'usually' outside which implies not always.

It indicates to me that your threshold for what is acceptable is simply different to others who have a zero tolerance approach to violence and aggression.

But it’s still abuse - it may not be PHYSICAL abuse (though IMP he did very obviously physically abuse her) but it’s abuse, which is exactly what he’s trying to disprove.do you think physical abuse is the only valid form of abuse?

@youvegottenminuteslynn to me it's no different than someone getting a punching bag to vent frustration. It's not particularly my style but each to their own. It rarely happens, I think the last time was when his father died. He is the furthest from violent as someone could get, very relaxed and has never been violent to a woman even when his ex assaulted him (which she has confirmed).

I don't really appreciate it being implicated that my DH is abusive because nothing could be further from the truth.

An no, it has never happened in the house.

@PlasticineMeg I'm not sure how much more I can explain this. Yes it is all abuse, I have never said any different. My point was you can't automatically conclude someone is a "wife beater" based on them smashing up property.

I just said how I would feel and what it would indicate to me about a person's ability to control their anger.

I appreciate your take on it is different.

Waiting to punch a punching bag, which is designed to be safely punched, is a way of channeling pent up aggression that won't harm you and therefore is a healthy way of doing so.

Punching a brick wall is a display of aggression that shows a disregard for whether you hurt yourself or not (you're more likely to injure yourself at least slightly than to not injure yourself at all) which = an absence of control of your anger.

That's what would make me personally feel worried. But again I appreciate you don't feel that way.

This case is not about the 'wife beater' comment, that comment was made by a Sun Journalist not AH and JD's case against the Sun and the journalist failed in the UK. This case is about the Op-Ed in the Washington Post and nowhere in that Op-Ed does it call JD a 'wife beater', it states AH was a victim of domestic abuse and you've admitted QuotetheLaw that JD's actions are domestic abuse.

and this case is not about proving if AH was an abuser - but disproving JD was an abuser, which he will never disprove.

I'm sure he took the case to win and believed he could. Personally, I don't think he can win in court. But he is definitely able to win in the eyes of the public and Hollywood. I think he wanted to put the full truth out there and he's done that. I believe most people will see her much more involved in the violence than they did before, even if they condemn Depp's actions.
I wonder whether this trial will end both their careers or rejuvenate his.