Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

[Meltinthemiddle]

Really not sure what to think tbh.

I haven’t been watching the trial but do you know has this been covered as evidence with the people listed as witnesses?

@CandyLeBonBon Your post implies that I am justifying his behaviour, I am not. However, a person cannot equate physically and sexually abusing a woman with smashing up rooms and items. The two are not synonymous.

It is natural that people will speculate and put forward their own opinions.

Based on the evidence seen in this case thus far, it would seem that the evidence is stacked against her more so. Although I do think that he will lose this case as there have been other forms of abuse perpetrated by Johnny Depp towards Amber Heard, not necessarily physically.

He's suing her for saying she is a victim of domestic violence.

He needs to specifically prove that her claim that she was a victim of domestic violence was false. The burden on proof is her.

It doesn't matter legally if she was also abusive, the crux of the case is whether or not she at any point has been a victim of domestic abuse by JD.

Even if she was the dominant aggressor, it would not change the fact that the case depends on whether or not JD was ever a perpetrator of domestic violence against AH.

Even if you were to disregard physical violence, if you count throwing things around, smashing stuff up aggressively and verbal insults as abusive (which they all are) then he cannot win.

Again. I did not say this and you know it. You asked if I'd never heard of wome staying with abusers. And I have but only because the COULDN'T leave. Not because they wanted to stay and be treated like a punchbag. When they couldn't leave it was because of finances or fear of reprisals on family and friends. Hence me saying she had the financial means to leave, and friends who were not scared of him.
If you had the means to leave but stayed because you loved your husband, why are you doing all in your power to collect evidence to hurt him? If the relationship is so bad that you want to hurt him, just leave.
I've never heard of anyone staying with someone out of choice and love, recording them, videoing, taking photos, trying to lead them to confessions. It's all very twisted.

@LetitiaLeghorn

You asked if I'd never heard of wome staying with abusers. And I have but only because the COULDN'T leave. Not because they wanted to stay and be treated like a punchbag. When they couldn't leave it was because of finances or fear of reprisals on family and friends. Hence me saying she had the financial means to leave, and friends who were not scared of him.

Your lack of understanding of abusive relationships is really showing.

You said I misrepresented what you said... then repeated it all over again.

Having money and friends doesn't make you immune to abuse and it also doesn't mean you're going to be in a headspace to leave.

Also, if she was so awful... based on your own logic why did he stay with her?!

Having money and friends doesn't make you immune to abuse and it also doesn't mean you're going to be in a headspace to leave.

But apparently it still leaves you with the headspace to set up recordings, to take photos, to manipulate conversations to try to get him to say incriminating things, etc. Maybe Depp would have left if he'd known she was doing all these things.

She's giving the performance of her life.

But apparently it still leaves you with the headspace to set up recordings, to take photos, to manipulate conversations to try to get him to say incriminating things, etc. Maybe Depp would have left if he'd known she was doing all these things.

Poor innocent Deppie. If he (or his mates) had only known. He could have liberate himself from the fangs of this femme fatale.

The hate that AH is getting on MN reminds me of the hateful posts about Meghan Markle gets. Not just racism but dollops of misogyny. Me thinks there is a lot of projection going on.

And envy!

Or maybe he should have left because his behaviour had escalated into (even by his own admission) drug taking, alcohol abuse, name calling and constant volatility. If you think she should have left and it's that simple, hold him to the same standard.

Misogyny in action.

That bit where she walked off the stand and Depp deliberately walked toward her and had to be headed off by courtroom security ... what the fuck did he think he was doing??

And actually I thought that particular moment of her moment of recoiling from him right there and then was genuine.

Both of them are toxic, damaged individuals neither of them are lying. Some seriously fucked up shit happened between them. They BOTH abused each other, but all those on here who can just 'tell' she's lying, and poor Johnny is the sad abused little man need to give your heads a wobble. You know nothing. Neither do I. They are both abusers and both victims and the only ones coming out on top here are the ones being paid to publicise this farce.

Well said.

I actually find the whole thing bloody grim and feel that no good can come from knowing as much as we do about their horrible marriage

It’s probably her fault, she probably forced him to do that with her womanly evils, he was probably only trying to go and say how pretty she looked, the poor little lamb.

@SpindleInTheWind that is the way that Johnny Depp exits the court room. To me it looked like he was heading in the direction he usually goes and then sees her, stops and turns around. She looks startled to see him coming towards her and steps back.

See, didn’t take long for someone to make an excuse.

I mean the fact security stopped him says it all.

Let’s face it, she could be shown on clear CCTV with a broken wine bottle coming out her face, a leg chopped off and her hair ripped out and people would say “Oh but she said he was a poo poo head and made him trip with a knife in his hand, it’s her own silly fault, look at her fake crying, she’s not in pain”. Staggering. Let’s hope these people never have to support a friend or family member through DV.

Security stopped him because Amber has the 'right of way' in this scenario. The witness leaves the stand before people exit the courtroom. The plaintiff and defendent aren't meant to speak or interact so security ensures distance and space between them.

Please explain how my statement was an excuse. That is the way he exits the court room - that is a fact. Amber exits on the other side of the court room.

He looked intimidating...she looked terrified.

@PlasticineMeg what a ridiculous thing to say, it bears no resemblance to the reality of what we are seeing AH say in court, the evidence of alleged abuse she is producing, the evidence on tape of what she has definitely said and done to JD, etc.

I have personally experienced domestic violence and also supported my husband and protected him from his violent ex. From my perspective and viewpoint, I consider there to be far too many holes in Ambers story and far too many eyewitnesses who say she was not injured and that she in fact was the aggressor. I also formed my opinion from what I heard on those audios and I cannot think of any scenario where an alleged victim would follow their alleged abuser around the house instead of fleeing from them in a volatile situation.

Not buying it. He should have waited a minute before trying to claim ownership of that space. He started forward when she was still leaving the stand.

He pressed forward toward her - not the exit - for one interesting second with a barrier of people there. His exit wasn't blocked. His access to Heard's space was.

He then turned and laughed.

I found that a very interesting episode.

Of course you can read it as him indicating to Heard that, 'you know and I know that some of what you just said is a crock of shit'; but it could also just be him being an asshole.

He seems obsessed. His judgement is shot to shit.

Just think about what you are saying, you seem to think you are the only person who has suffered abuse on this thread and the only person to qualify to make decisions on who
is right and who is wrong. Do not call me an abuse -apologist. I have repeatedly said in all of my posts that I think they are both abusers and as bad as each other. You seem massively over invested in all of this.

@SpindleInTheWind The door was right behind Amber. It could be the way you have interpreted it but it could also be that he just started walking forward without thinking. It could be interpreted that he laughed because he's trying not to show Amber he is bothered by her allegations (if he feels there is no truth to them).

It can be interpreted any way really.

He just happened to go and get in her way.
why?