Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Really not sure what to think tbh.

@DingleyDel

Your case is exactly why it is important that she is not telling lies though . And some have been proven already . If you watch her evidence yesterday and 100% think she is telling the truth - then I am sorry if some of us are wrong . But especially the night before the televised show look at her report and her evidence and then watch the video of her on the show and the evidence from the make up artist .

Smashing things does not equal being violent towards women though. It's an awful behaviour to perpetrate and no one should have to endure it but it does not mean he is a "wife beater".

@LetitiaLeghorn

But why stay long enough to keep taking pictures and recording him? If his behaviour is bad enough that you feel you need to keep taking pictures and making recordings fir evidence, why not go straightaway? Why keep subjecting yourself to it?

Have you never heard of someone staying in an abusive relationship before? Ever?

It takes women on average 6-7 times to leave their abuser.

And she may have been abusive too at times, but this trial is based on his claim that he has never abused her. That it is a lie to say he has ever abused her.

The outcome of the case rests on whether the jury believe it is a lie to say he has ever abused her.

According to the outcome of the UK case, he's that too.

@youvegottenminuteslynn he has never been convicted of such. All cases are open to challenge.

I find it frustrating that so many are adamant that certain things did or did not happen.

@PlasticineMeg

so you have noted why she taped/took photos etc of everything that happened

so why on the night she was beaten senseless - and raped and she had multiple cuts and bleeding on her body and she according to her own evidence was in control enough to just take two sleeping pills and go to bed , why did she not record her injuries ? Why no photos of the blood on her pillow and in her bed and the cuts on her arms and feet ?

@youvegottenminuteslynn

this is in a civil court where the proof does not have to be beyond reasonable doubt . Not saying the verdict was incorrect but he does not have a criminal conviction for the horrific near death beatings/rape she is describing

Have you never heard of someone staying in an abusive relationship before? Ever?

Yes, I have. But they're always in a position where they can't leave and so collecting evidence makes sense. But that was not the case here. She was independently wealthy and she had multiple friends for support who were not scared of him.

@DressingGownofDoom Photo submitted in evidence versus The Sun front page. The first image on the left is consistent with someone who'd been crying a lot (according to police).

I can't comment on the mirror pic but my point is images were manipulated by The Scum which is making her case weaker.

@StEval I would quote your post but the insanely long posts it then make send me potty so I just wanted to say - what an excellent post, you are absolutely right and people who haven’t the foggiest of what addiction does to a human and those around them have absolutely to right to a say about what addicts are like or likely to do.

This is really, really sad and whilst I do think he was abusive to AH (and she him) addiction is very much an illness that’s extremely difficult to control. However, addicts still need to be held accountable for their actions, and in fact that is one of the steps on the path to recovery - owning that you have hurt the people you love.

Why would/should they? So like AH they can be universally hated too.

victims don’t owe other victims their story

This

The audio isn't great in this video but it is an interesting listen. This is a recording from Amber's phone right after the glass fight in Australia - the one where she said she was dragged across broken glass, cut her feet up, punched repeatedly, and violated with the bottle and the one where his finger got cut off. This is the immediate aftermath as the doctor (Kipper) and nurse (Debbie) have arrived and the housemanager (Ben) and head of security (Jerry) are there with Amber and Johnny to deal with the aftermath. During part of it Johnny's sister (Christi) is on the phone with Jerry but you can't really hear her side. They are initially trying to find the end of Johnny's finger. Amber knows it is being recorded as she is recording it but the others don't know. Johnny isn't really in the recording other than one comment in the beginning and there is a little with Amber at the end but during most of the recording she is upstairs in a bedroom. It is interesting as much of the tape is the medical team and household staff talking about the situation and about Johnny and Amber in an informal environment of the home. We haven't gotten to hear the perspectives of these people before so I found it an interesting perspective. Won't share my own feelings about it but it is worth a listen to get a sense of what it was like at that moment in time.

The Cycle of Abuse is why.

1. Tension builds

2.Explosive , abusive event. 3.Apology and remorse( fake)" it will never happen again, promises things will be different 4.Honeymoon period, grand gestures,loved up.

Imho she got out very quickly and needed evidence for the divorce and restraining order.

Its a myth that abusers are abusive all the time.
Also google Trauma Bonding

If only the women who say ‘just leave’ were the ones being abused, we’d solve DV the world over

Do you think abusers don’t follow people? Leaving - be it in an argument or leaving a relationship- can be the most dangerous time particularly for women. This is well documented.

No I won’t calm down. I’m angry that society is regressing rapidly when it comes to women. We now apparently need female victims to behave in a certain way before believing them.

And I call TOTAL BS when people said they once believed AH. I remember when she left and and said he chucked a phone at her face. People - including here on MN - we’re falling over themselves to call her a liar. From the very off. I remember one comment on MN saying “Why didn’t she just duck if he threw a phone at her face”

Neither has she but it hasn’t stopped anyone throwing mud and calling her an abuser

@Unsure33 I find you a disgusting victim blamer TBH, why are you scrutinising the innocuous actions of someone on the night they said they were raped? You are berating someone for not leaping up and taking pictures after they’ve been raped?

let’s face it - you wouldn’t believe her if she had done that anyway.

The fact you think money solves everything when it comes to DV shows me how little you truly know about abuse. Do you think every woman who ever stayed was poor? Plenty of very wealthy people stay because with abuse comes fear and control.

Smashing things and trashing rooms is all considered a part of domestic violence.

@LetitiaLeghorn

Yes, I have. But they're always in a position where they can't leave and so collecting evidence makes sense. But that was not the case here. She was independently wealthy and she had multiple friends for support who were not scared of him.

Ah so she's the wrong type of victim for you.

Wealthy women with friends can't be victims.

Got it.

@CandyLeBonBon Absolutely it is part of domestic violence but it does not mean he physically harmed her.

Ah right 'but he didn't hit you so...'

He's already lost a libel case as the evidence against him stacked up to 'wife beating'

Both of them are toxic, damaged individuals neither of them are lying. Some seriously fucked up shit happened between them. They BOTH abused each other, but all those on here who can just 'tell' she's lying, and poor Johnny is the sad abused little man need to give your heads a wobble. You know nothing. Neither do I. They are both abusers and both victims and the only ones coming out on top here are the ones being paid to publicise this farce.

What is the point of this awful, endless speculation?

It's not an either/or good/bad, black/white situation. Ffs it's not an episode of eastenders.