Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Really not sure what to think tbh.

And if she’s sat there stoically and hard faced showing no emotion, people would say “she’s lying, look at her showing no emotion”.

the woman cannot win no matter what she does. She could produce CCTV of him beating and sexually assaulting her and his moron followers (of whom there seem to be far too many) would still defend him.

I think PlasticMeg may be AH 😂. The reason people believe JD is he has countless evidence that she abused him, including her own recordings that she set up to accuse him. He has police officers, staff, the doorman from their penthouse all saying they've never seen a mark on her, including the nights of and the day after her supposed hours long beatings. She's been caught out lying repeatedly during the trial. The biggest lie of all in my opinion and the main reason she won the UK case btw is she told a judge and the whole world in an interview that she couldn't possibly have a financial motive for what she was saying because she had ALREADY donated ALL of her divorce settlement to charity - that is what got people on side and it was a LIE.

You need to have a look online and do some research about her allegations, her dates and timelines are not possible. Several times she recalls being beaten to a pulp and suffering from a broken nose, busted lip and black eyes, she has been photographed the very next day on various events with not a mark on her. How do you explain that?

I'm not saying JD isn't a drunk and an addict, he certainly is. He clearly hits furniture when he's angry. We know all this because she documented it so closely. Yet she never seems to have documented any of the times she was assaulted.

She is a liar, a cheat and quite a dangerous woman. Both in terms of her violent and manipulative tendencies. I sincerely hope that the US version of social services has performed some kind of risk assessment with her child, because I can guarantee you it is in for a traumatic and damaging life. I imagine we will be hearing about that in 20 or so years.

As for having a small brain because I believe JD? I have some but not bast amount of legal training and have been to a number of court cases as a result. I have strong critical thinking skills and consider myself a good judge of character. If you genuinely have watched the whole trial (not just read biased bits in the paper) and seen all the evidence presented, watched AH ridiculous performance and STILL think she in the victim, then you quite frankly have some deep routed issues. It's shocking to see the level of denial on some people and I do wonder how they cope in day to day life.

I think this court case and the public’s reaction is a prime example of the fact that women are held to a higher standard than men.

@Autumndays123

What a silly post. @PlasticineMeg posts are informed and evidence critical thinking. Yours is just rude and ignorant.

Really? Informed by what? Which bit? Critical thinking doesn't mean the person agrees with you btw 😂.

Also, which part of my post is silly? Can you point out which parts are untrue?

Of course she's rehearsed. With the eye watering sums involved her lawyers will have made sure. That is not a crime or reason to disbelieve. And she is and actress.
Judge her on inconsistencies as cross examination unfolds, not her 'performance'.

Not really . Its not saying anything about AH proven violence against JD. Thats not critical thinking. Its simply blaming JD for all of the abuse and issues because god forbid, women can be instigators too.

The reason people believe JD is he has countless evidence that she abused him, including her own recordings that she set up to accuse him. He has police officers, staff, the doorman from their penthouse all saying they've never seen a mark on her, including the nights of and the day after her supposed hours long beatings. She's been caught out lying repeatedly during the trial. The biggest lie of all in my opinion and the main reason she won the UK case btw is she told a judge and the whole world in an interview that she couldn't possibly have a financial motive for what she was saying because she had ALREADY donated ALL of her divorce settlement to charity - that is what got people on side and it was a LIE.

This is where I'm at as well. I'm trying my very best to be impartial and would say that it looks to me like two toxic people got together and were a disaster for one another, and I do think there has been abuse on both sides. The problem is there is Amber's version, Johnny's version and the truth will lie somewhere between the two of them. My issue is that Amber Heard is a proven liar (the settlement money didn't go to charity, she stole her assistant's rape story and used it as her own, the make-up she used to cover bruises but couldn't have done because it wasn't sold at the time.) There is a lot of evidence of her being abusive to Johnny, she's admitted it but very scant evidence the other way round.

That said I think Johnny will and probably should lose this case. I believe that even if she's a liar, there is some truth in her testimony and it doesn't mean she's lying all the time. But I can understand Johnny's motives for bringing this case, his testimony and the evidence of what she did to him is now out there.

He is clearly agressive and has substance abuse issues, she is clearly a very unpleasant person. It doesn't mean that they both aren't victims of abuse but this case is looking at whether Johnny ever was abusive to Amber and I can't see him winning it.

Sadly this case does nothing to further the cause of domestic abuse victims, either male or female.

I'm not saying JD isn't a drunk and an addict, he certainly is.

This is my main issue tbh. No one is denying this, including Depp, although I think he is playing down his addictions of course in classic style. I would say it’s virtually unknown for someone to be an addict as extreme as he was (I’m talking physically dependent on drugs and a lot of hard liquor) and NOT be abusive. It’s just doesn’t happen. Addicts are always abusive to those closest. If they perceive that the loved one isn’t 100% supportive in them getting their next hit abuse will follow, whether thats verbal or physical. In withdrawal or under the influence they will do bizarre and often violent things that are completely out of character. This is why people will hardly ever be sectioned when drunk (makes it very hard when there’s MH issues at play too).

As for AHs abuse of him. No one is claiming she’s a saint. No one is claiming she’s behaved impeccably. However living with an addict you love and care for drives you to the absolute limit of your strengths and depths of despair. You want to hurt them, to make them feel, to make them show they still have any part of the person that you love left. I actually fantasised about hitting mine with my car to get him into hospital with a chance he might have to sober up rather than seeing him destroy himself and my family in such an awful way. I’ve been through some very traumatic events in my life but nothing can prepare you for living with an addict. AH was a young woman with MH problems who was completely unprepared for what she was getting involved with. Sorry if it’s wrong but I’m afraid I feel sympathy with her because of my life experiences, which I under most people probably haven’t had.

@PlasticineMeg there is recorded evidence that AH hit JD so we do know for sure that she is abusive. Personally I think they are both abusers but I am pointing out why her court appearance is not helping her defence.

Threeringcircus you summed up my feelings on it perfectly.

And again, mustn’t forget that he’s the one bringing the case. Absolutely classic addict abuser behaviour. He’s the one who’s been wronged. No accountability for him. It’s all her fault and she ruined his life and career. Yep it’s absolutely classic.

The alleged ‘some legal experience because I’ve been in court’ is one of many examples .

No one is saying AH isn’t an abuser. But yea if you think JD was not also abusive then I’m afraid you seriously need to readdress the whole “I have critical thinking skills here”.

and FYI, one person being abusive doesn’t cancel the other out. HTH.

I found this really interesting about how we are judging and scrutinising this case and why m.youtube.com/watch?v=wjH8fCKLnos

Normally all my sympathies would be with a woman, victim of DV - but she just looks to me, like she is acting in the witness stand? IMO, it was a toxic relationship and there was abuse on both sides? I don’t know why they are both washing their dirty linen in court - it can’t help either of their reputations or careers?

I absolutely agree with this. And having lived with an addict I just don’t think it’s physically possible to be in a place where JD was and not be at least verbally abusive to those closest to you. He wants to count himself lucky that, unlike the everyday man, he has the finances to help battle his illness

OK then what should she be like in court that ‘helps’ her?

wailing and sobbing? Stiff upper lip? Not speaking but instead doing semaphore? Giggling like a child like JD has throughout the trial that HE brought to court? Go on - what ‘should’ a good victim look like?

He is washing his dirty linen because he actively chose to.

she’s washing it because she’s needs a defence, and has no choice.

I find it all completely excruciating and there’s no escaping headlines, it’s everywhere, I feel no better for knowing the toxic minutiae of the relationship of two unpleasant and narcissistic millionaires.

Ok, I will say it again as you keep beating on. Where is the evidence that AH was abused other than her own testimony and what she told Dr Hughes after she was sued?

I think Amber Heard is lying through her teeth. Where are the photos of the blood and paint smeared all over the walls? Surely she would’ve taken pics if this had happened, but I’ve not seen photos relating to this, except the odd one of a broken bottle maybe.

Yes, I believe JD probably has smashed things around (which is obviously wrong) .
, but I don’t believe he was ever physical with AH.
Notice how she tries to portray herself as holier than thou, dresses like she could pass for someone off little house on the prairie, and talks of her ‘bond and love’ she has for Johnny’s kids. All to give the impression she’s a caring respectful individual.

She appeared disgusted when talking about certain things, such as when JD had smeared paint everywhere (or when he’d been sick), yet she’s able to apparently shit in their bed …. 🙄

Aside from the crocodile tears, one huge red flag for me that she’s lying is the constant talking in the PRESENT tense about what supposedly happened. Anyone taking from experiential memory usually will talk in the past tense. She is definitely reading a rehearsed script I believe.

@PlasticineMeg I’m sorry you are so triggered by this but we don’t all have to agree with you. I suggest you look at why this is pushing your buttons so much.

As my sister said, "I'd be doing hard drugs too if I had to be around her for any length of time."

Her long, self-serving monologues aren't doing herself any favours. What a dreary, whiny woman.

I was barely aware of who Johnny Depp was before this but hope he wins his case.

@Bestoptionhelp - I agree that it is strange that she keeps changing tenses from past to present.

I’ve listened to many traumatic stories. Sometimes people do move into the present tense as they are retelling , but then they stay there - sometimes with eye shut - as they have gone back into the trauma and are starting to re-live it and tell it as if it is happening in front of them..

This isn’t what she is doing.

She also tells the stories with a very flat effect at times, which again I have seen. But then she gets angry or “tearful” whilst alternating with flat.

i’m not saying that she is lying but that it isn’t something I’ve witnessed before

It also looks suspiciously like the bruises from filler.