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Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Meltinthemiddle · 04/05/2022 20:06

Really not sure what to think tbh.

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toastedcat · 05/05/2022 16:49

@Greensleeves So you're biased against objective truth and will always take the woman's side. Essentially that's what you're saying? I just think that is a sad state of affairs, and I believe Amber thought that that's how most people would see it.

Budapestdreams · 05/05/2022 16:54

There are double standards here.

JD has been playing to the jury, indeed playing up to and trying to charm the whole world. AH shouldn't be criticized for doing the same.

Also, smashing up a hotel room isn't the same as hitting a person but it does show that the individual is a violent one who can't control their temper.

Abusers often take great care not to let anyone else see the abuse.

JD has been arrested 3 times for violent behaviour.

Let's also not forget the insidious abuse in the form of controlling, manipulative, possessive behaviour.

If someone is very possessive and jealous, that is abuse.

AH may not be a very nice person, but she can still be the victim of an abusive relationship.

youvegottenminuteslynn · 05/05/2022 17:01

Budapestdreams · 05/05/2022 16:54

There are double standards here.

JD has been playing to the jury, indeed playing up to and trying to charm the whole world. AH shouldn't be criticized for doing the same.

Also, smashing up a hotel room isn't the same as hitting a person but it does show that the individual is a violent one who can't control their temper.

Abusers often take great care not to let anyone else see the abuse.

JD has been arrested 3 times for violent behaviour.

Let's also not forget the insidious abuse in the form of controlling, manipulative, possessive behaviour.

If someone is very possessive and jealous, that is abuse.

AH may not be a very nice person, but she can still be the victim of an abusive relationship.

Well said!

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ObjectionHearsay · 05/05/2022 17:05

I don't think you should automatically "believe" just because they are a woman, it's a slippery slope to go down.

A male relative of mine had a false accusation of assault against a woman, it was malicious. She said he came round her house and pushed his way through the front door, punched her and ran off in a rage because she declined to go on another date with him.

He wasn't even in the country when the "incident" occured. The person making the "complaint" didn't realise this when they went to the police "the next day". The police then attempted to locate said male relative to be told "he's been in X country since last Monday, flies back in 3 days time". He returned and went to the police station himself, produced his boarding passes and flight information, and it was all dropped.

It was all because after the third or fourth date he blocked her feeling she was a bit "crazy". Guess his spider senses were correct on that occasion.

PerfectPenquins · 05/05/2022 17:40

Some people here saying things like 'that's not how victims act' realy? There is no 'right' way to be a victim.

Snowpatrolling · 05/05/2022 18:27

Don’t believe her. She’s trying so hard to cry she looks like she’s straining for a poo and no tears are falling!!

AdriftAbroad1 · 05/05/2022 18:31

@Snowpatrolling 😂

HRTQueen · 05/05/2022 18:33

Budapestdreams · 05/05/2022 16:54

There are double standards here.

JD has been playing to the jury, indeed playing up to and trying to charm the whole world. AH shouldn't be criticized for doing the same.

Also, smashing up a hotel room isn't the same as hitting a person but it does show that the individual is a violent one who can't control their temper.

Abusers often take great care not to let anyone else see the abuse.

JD has been arrested 3 times for violent behaviour.

Let's also not forget the insidious abuse in the form of controlling, manipulative, possessive behaviour.

If someone is very possessive and jealous, that is abuse.

AH may not be a very nice person, but she can still be the victim of an abusive relationship.

Absolutely agree

What is also coming out of this trial is a life of being completely indulged, of course she have been awarded that at times. He has had years and years of being indulged like a child I think he has lost sense of reality. The way his body guard talked about him made me cringe it was like he was talking about a child who was fragile and poorly not a grown adult

The tapes are not nice to hear but this is him being on the brink of being out of control this is what his pr have managed to hide

zafferana · 05/05/2022 18:42

I still can't get over how both of them have come back for round 2 of sharing every sordid detail of their dysfunctional relationship with the world, after the car crash of their London trial.

IMO they are both as bad as each other, an utterly toxic combination, and as actors I don't believe a word of their performances on the witness stand. Johnny with his pauses and little smiles and Amber with her tears. If they weren't actors it would be very convincing, but they are. Actors can cry on cue. They know how to deliver their lines for maximum impact and they 100% will have been coached by their legal teams on exactly how to answer each question. I can't see either of them emerging from this with any dignity at all. They're performing. This is a show.

Midlifemusings · 05/05/2022 18:45

There is no a difference between no perfect victim and zero understanding of any characteristics or patterns or presentations in any victims of trauma. There is research on this and her side has extensively prepared her on how to act.

It isn't that any and every behaviour is completely normal for a victim. This has been studied. The only reason traumatic stress and PTSD can be given as diagnoses is because related symptoms and presentations have been categorized.

This idea that nothing and everything is representative of trauma and traumatic stress and PTSD we know nothing about it as it can not be defined or described in any way is simply not true.

Behaviour analysis has been a field for decades and decades, including in forensics and in psychology and psychiatry so I am not sure why so many are saying it doesn't exist and that nothing at all can be gleaned by her behaviour or lack there of.

Midlifemusings · 05/05/2022 18:49

zafferana · 05/05/2022 18:42

I still can't get over how both of them have come back for round 2 of sharing every sordid detail of their dysfunctional relationship with the world, after the car crash of their London trial.

IMO they are both as bad as each other, an utterly toxic combination, and as actors I don't believe a word of their performances on the witness stand. Johnny with his pauses and little smiles and Amber with her tears. If they weren't actors it would be very convincing, but they are. Actors can cry on cue. They know how to deliver their lines for maximum impact and they 100% will have been coached by their legal teams on exactly how to answer each question. I can't see either of them emerging from this with any dignity at all. They're performing. This is a show.

I think also during times of stress, people tend to perform too. It makes it a little less personal to perform. Thye likely have had roles where they needed to act as victims or as suffering etc. They have been trained for this on top of the legal coaching and that training is hard to forget and not use when you are stressed and in a public performance like this.

The question is where will the jury see truth in this. Amber's credibility is shot given all the lies she has told that are already in evidence. Johnny has a pretty hard task of convincing a jury he was never abusive if that is in the fact the deciding factor (I am still not completely clear on what exactly has to be proven in this case for defamation).

Darbs76 · 05/05/2022 19:03

I believe her, I believe he treated her the way she has described, some of it physical, a lot of it jealous controlling behaviour. The only thing on trial here is whether or not Amber could call herself a victim of DV. It’s not for the jury to decide who was more abusive, Amber or Johnny. He was a drug addict, frequently off his head, that’s not in dispute. Not sure why all these die hard Johnny fans find it so hard to beeline he would treat his wife badly. He probably doesn’t even remember half of it if he was that off his face. The fact is Amber doesn’t fit the mould of the usual DV as she fought back. Does that mean she wasn’t a victim of DV? No. Johnny will regret bringing this trial to court, his level of support will no doubt drop off as his fans post less and less as the days go on.

Darbs76 · 05/05/2022 19:04

@zafferana what choice does Amber have? She’s being sued. She either count sues or just shows up in court, either way she’s got no choice in the matter. He’s clearly in for all or bust

StEval · 05/05/2022 19:08

Midlifemusings · 05/05/2022 18:49

I think also during times of stress, people tend to perform too. It makes it a little less personal to perform. Thye likely have had roles where they needed to act as victims or as suffering etc. They have been trained for this on top of the legal coaching and that training is hard to forget and not use when you are stressed and in a public performance like this.

The question is where will the jury see truth in this. Amber's credibility is shot given all the lies she has told that are already in evidence. Johnny has a pretty hard task of convincing a jury he was never abusive if that is in the fact the deciding factor (I am still not completely clear on what exactly has to be proven in this case for defamation).

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Both court cases were instigated by him and typifies the total denial of an addict/ narc.
She is not on trial for her behaviour, whatever she has done is immaterial even if unsavoury.
Its whether he was violent to her or not .
Hes already lost one high profile trial regarding this and its madness to bring this one.
This is what addicted abusers do, deny, deny and deny, many narc men will continually drag their ex to court, time and time again.
He can never be wrong.
I think she is trying hard to show she cares/ cared about him, when she actually DGAS.
Thats why its coming across as staged.
Having been in this situation myself, I believe her, its exactly how addicts behave.
The denial/ lying is breath taking.
He probably doesnt remember half the stuff he did but all he cares about is him and the face he shows the world.

She has exposed him and his rage will never stop, even if he damages himself in the process.

mbosnz · 05/05/2022 19:10

Personally, I think this could be solved by the bloody pair of them being declared vexatious litigants, and forbidden to bring suits against each other.

StEval · 05/05/2022 19:11

mbosnz · 05/05/2022 19:10

Personally, I think this could be solved by the bloody pair of them being declared vexatious litigants, and forbidden to bring suits against each other.

Agree.
I just said the same thing to DH.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 05/05/2022 19:15

Presumably, the only reasons anyone would record/video literally hours and hours of their partner’s behaviour would either be a) to build a case against them or b) because you thought your version of events might not be believed?

At the time these recordings were made, AH was supposedly (according to her own testimony) blindly in love and consequently put up with all sorts of abhorrent treatment by JD. Indeed, she returned for more and more and repeatedly forgave him.

However, she was not so blinded by love and was forward thinking enough to ensure that she had stockpiled copious amounts of ‘evidence’ to keep up her sleeve for the future - but for what purpose? Clearly, AH didn’t anticipate being sued for defamation by JD so, when otherwise would the tapes have seen the light of day? Or were they being kept as a nest egg/leverage/insurance policy?

zafferana · 05/05/2022 19:33

He probably doesn't remember half the stuff he did

I'm sure this is true, as by his own admission he's an addict and an alcoholic and much of the appalling behaviour we're being regaled with seems to have occurred, by his own admission, when he was intoxicated.

Personally, I think this could be solved by the bloody pair of them being declared vexatious litigants, and forbidden to bring suits against each other.

I agree. Why is this horror show being played out all over again, when they were in the high court in London slogging it out over the very same material less than 2 years ago? Has no one said to the pair to them 'No good can come of this'?

QuotetheLaw · 05/05/2022 19:43

I'm concerned how she just said that she could not remember much going forward and it was all cloudy so to speak but she is now telling it in great detail.

And parakeet flooring? Confused

LaburnumAlpine · 05/05/2022 19:45

We have been watching JD films again and absolutely loving them.

FixitJesus · 05/05/2022 19:46

Darbs76 · 05/05/2022 19:03

I believe her, I believe he treated her the way she has described, some of it physical, a lot of it jealous controlling behaviour. The only thing on trial here is whether or not Amber could call herself a victim of DV. It’s not for the jury to decide who was more abusive, Amber or Johnny. He was a drug addict, frequently off his head, that’s not in dispute. Not sure why all these die hard Johnny fans find it so hard to beeline he would treat his wife badly. He probably doesn’t even remember half of it if he was that off his face. The fact is Amber doesn’t fit the mould of the usual DV as she fought back. Does that mean she wasn’t a victim of DV? No. Johnny will regret bringing this trial to court, his level of support will no doubt drop off as his fans post less and less as the days go on.

Not much support for her either, as the petition to have her removed from the Aquaman movies now has reached well over 3 million signatures.

theRealBlueSmartie · 05/05/2022 19:48

LaburnumAlpine · 05/05/2022 19:45

We have been watching JD films again and absolutely loving them.

I hadn’t seen any I watched my first one yesterday for some reason his work has just passed me by

StEval · 05/05/2022 20:10

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 05/05/2022 19:15

Presumably, the only reasons anyone would record/video literally hours and hours of their partner’s behaviour would either be a) to build a case against them or b) because you thought your version of events might not be believed?

At the time these recordings were made, AH was supposedly (according to her own testimony) blindly in love and consequently put up with all sorts of abhorrent treatment by JD. Indeed, she returned for more and more and repeatedly forgave him.

However, she was not so blinded by love and was forward thinking enough to ensure that she had stockpiled copious amounts of ‘evidence’ to keep up her sleeve for the future - but for what purpose? Clearly, AH didn’t anticipate being sued for defamation by JD so, when otherwise would the tapes have seen the light of day? Or were they being kept as a nest egg/leverage/insurance policy?

She filed for divorce and a restraining order in 2016.
Standard advice to obtain evidence

womanchild · 05/05/2022 20:12

I have no doubt that this was a toxic and abusive and controlling relationship, some percentage from each party. But surely, with that much sobbing and heaving and heavy breathing, Amber's cheeks would be wet? There's no way I could sob like that without my face and eyes being a dripping mess. I think the 'actingness' of this is not doing her case any favours