Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Really not sure what to think tbh.

Just search online for Amber Heard and Bee lapel pin. She wore this pin the day after he wore a very similar one. It would really freak me out to have someone do this to me.

I think the copying suggests BPD and the potential to be very dangerous.

I do think he’s also been abusive. But her outfit copying says something about her also.

i think unfortunately she still loves him.

it will take time for her to understand the whole situation.

@theRealBlueSmartie - It crossed my mind that they might get back together when I watched some of it.

I think she is playing to him as well as the court when she talks about him being the love of her life and how she didn’t want to leave him.. he knows that there is truth in some of what she is saying and that there were times when he behaved badly. She also knows she isn’t telling the whole truth, and they are sitting there so close to one another, both doing what they are doing and when the other is lying. Like their own private game, but carried out so publicly.

*knowing what they are doing

I’m trying not to become invested in the trial, but it’s everywhere and hard to avoid.

A couple of things stand out to me.

Johnny Depp, IMO, is playing to a huge crowd, the majority of whom seem to be happy with AH being ripped to shreds all over the internet, with very little balance despite JD having more red flags than a stormy beach.

Men very often behave very badly and get away with it, and are generally defended by other men.
Women are held to far higher standard than men are, their behaviour scrutinised far more, they are blamed and held responsible for men’s actions often. Should a woman step out of line and actually be an abuser, this is held against other women facing their own trials and their own victimhood, in a way that just doesn’t happen with men.

After the U.K. trial I felt relief that at last a prominent man faced consequences for his behaviour, it felt like the tide was turning, but seeing the blatant misogyny surrounding this trial - the unquestioning adoration towards JD and the glee in seeing AH being shredded - feels like a big step backwards.

The cavity search story was chilling. Before that I believed it was mainly her who abused him but after hearing that, there’s something about it that makes me believe this happened. I don’t believe she made it up.

They seem equal to me - both using their professional craft to put on a circus show for the world.

I am not concerned with or for either of them. I am a child of two useless, abusive parents whose main focus in life was to be each other's acknowledged victim.

It is a gigantic waste of everyone's time and energy.

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At least they didn't have children together.

Indeed, I think the world can count it's lucky stars that no offspring came from this truly toxic relationship. Those kids would need life long support to overcome that.

I just discovered Amber Herds opening statement was directly taken word for word from the film ‘the talented Mr Ripley’.

Ambers words:

’The thing with Johnny.. it’s like the sun shines on you, and it’s glorious, and then he forgets about you and it’s very, very cold.

When you have his attention you feel like you’re the only person in the world. That’s why every body loves him so much’.

From The talented Mr Ripley film*:

‘The thing with Dicky.. it’s like the sun shines on you, and it’s glorious, and then he forgets about you and it’s very, very cold.

When you have his attention you feel like you’re the only person in the world. That’s why every body loves him so much’.

This women is putting on the show of her life and if her claims are true, directly quoting a film and using them as her own words in front of the world is not going to help the case of an actress trying to get the world to believe her.

The fact that she even did this, in my mind, gives weight to the fact that she has some sort of personality disorder.

If I told you my daughter in her 20s was dating a man twice her age who had been arrested at least 3 times for violent behaviour and who was a drug addict who also drunk alcohol to excess. And if I also told you that he had some pretty misogynistic views about women, and that he had been engaged multiple times and liked to rush into serious relationships way too fast. If I also told you he was getting jealous when my daughter spent time with other men and that he was known to have had fits of rage in the past, would you be concerned?

Would you see the red flags all over the place?

Time and time again domestic abuse gets discussed on these chat threads. The same red flags crop up, the same patterns of behaviour.

Yet, when JD does the same things people don't want to believe that he could be an abuser.

@User310 - But she didn’t actually say that. She said he made her feel seen and special and like the only woman in the world.

someone on Twitter commented that it was similar to the lines from the talented Mr Ripley - the ones you have quoted - and then the internet decided she used the same words. She didn’t.

Anyway, the type of man who shines his attention on people like a spotlight.. that man has always existed (and I’m sure there are women like it too). Nothing to do with a film, that was just a good description of a certain type.

I believe it was scattered through her opening statement but direct copies of sentences.

I’ve only watched a few minutes of her testimony so I can’t confirm myself, but I just came across a journalists video and he has directly taken her quotes.

my point is, she has clearly learned a script and is acting it out. Most people who are telling the truth do not need to do this.

It will be interesting to see if her presentation and demeanour changes in cross. I guess that won't take place until after the break in a couple weeks.

Exactly this. It's beyond distasteful to see women picking apart her "performance" and declaring it unconvincing. Testifying in court is an incredibly weird and artificial situation and people don't always come across the way we, as media consumers, would expect.

I believe her. I also think it's disgraceful that women are deciding her case on the basis of whether or not they find her likeable. Feminism means safety and dignity for ALL women, not just the ones we warm to.

It reminds me of Ruth Ellis' case. She was put into a car and handed a loaded weapon by a lover, and driven by him to the scene where she shot a man who had, just days previously, literally kicked her unborn child out of her. She wasn't hanged for the murder, she was hanged for being a bleached blonde whose lifestyle offended the 1950s sensibilities around women and morality.

Did you know that an assistant at the UK trial accused AH of trying to twist the assistant's rape experience into a story of her own ?

I know that this doesn't mean that the cavity story didn't happen but it's not been refuted either.

I really feel like they are clutching at straws at the moment, whether she is performing, whether he's guilty, she's guilty.

It seem's like a pretty poor show on her side, so far...

@Greensleeves Why do you find it "disgraceful" that women in particular are criticising Amber?

I believe in equality. I don't believe in blindly supporting women because I'm a woman, therefore I am automatically on a woman's side. I think that makes us seem weak and inferior.

I will always side with the person I think has the most credibility; and I believe she has none. Does that mean I believe he's wholly innocent? Not really.

The fact we are women should have sweet FA to do with how we relate to this case.

I believe her.
I am trying not to watch videos as they are both actors but I read transcripts. It rings true to me and I think she's very brave.

This is why women don't come forward, this is why men get away with abuse and sexual violence.

Women aren't believed, women are held to a higher standard, women have to be "perfect" to be a credible victim. Even other women look for any tiny flaw in their argument while turning a blind eye to the man's destructive or controlling past.

If you are a victim of DV it can be very hard to leave, and it can make you angry, it can make you fight back verbally and physically. As a pp said earlier, the abuser will often charm everyone else around them so no-one believes the victim. It's a classic behaviour in abusers.

It's a scary time to be a woman ☹️

Shes performing to the jury! "Stop looking at the jury woman"!!!! She's trying to build some kind of rapport with them, but if I was a juror I wouldn't want her looking at me, I'd want to just quietly observe her. It does feel very scripted and acted. I do believe Johnny has acted out very badly at times but I whole heartedly believe she is delusional in believing she's a victim. She was arrested for DV in her previous marriage, Johnny's never been arrested for DV, that says it all. Also as a victim of dv myself, I couldn't bare to look at my ex in court, but she literally can't take her eyes off him, that's not how victims act in my opinion.

Smashing up things and being physically abusive are very different things. He's also admitted to smashing things up. I don't know many rockstars that haven't smashed up hotel rooms etc! That doesn't equate to an abuser!

1. Because I think women ought to know better, and

2. Because it's always depressing to see turkeys voting for Christmas. Every man who gets away with abusing his partner, every women who is disbelieved and discredited because she isn't likeable or perfect enough, is a blow against all of us. The odds are stacked high enough against women without us buying into internalised misogyny and becoming cheerleaders for abusive men.

The older I get, the more I default to believing and supporting women unless concrete evidence tells me otherwise. I make no apology for that.