Anyone watching Amber heard take the stand?

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Really not sure what to think tbh.

@AliceMcK

If he was in anyway violent and nasty then at some point in his 30+ acting career that information would be somewhere in the public domain. But it isn’t, people who have worked with him and been in relationships with him have all supported him. If there was the slightest bit of dirt on him someone would have come forward by now.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-44778997.amp

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/uknews/12088495/johnny-depp-kate-moss-hotel-rampage-model-court/amp/

From the UK trial:

Text messages from Depp to his friend Paul Bettany reveal he told the actor about an occasion where he drank too much around Heard. Heard's lawyer read the text out loud. "You may have to drink for me," Depp wrote to Bettany. "I, of course, pounded and displayed ugly colors to Amber on a recent journey. I am an insane person. And not so fair headed after too much of the drink. Weed, pills, fine. Booze? My capacity is too large and won't stop. Ugly and sad. Oh, how I love it."

"You've trashed hotel rooms before simply because you've had a bad couple days and an unpleasant time," Heard's lawyer asked Depp.
"Correct. I have assaulted a couch or two. Yes, sir," Depp replied. When asked if he has expressed himself through destructive behavior, Depp agreed.
Heard's lawyer asked, "And you'd said in an interview one time, you said the following, quote: 'You know, you have bad days, and you know, some guys go play golf, some guys you know, smash hotel rooms.' You've said that before, right?"
And you still don't believe he is "in any way nasty or violent"? Some more info:

His texts to Paul Bettany:
Depp: “Let’s drown her before we burn her!!! I will f**k her burnt corpse afterwards to make sure she is dead…”
He's also close friends with Marilyn Manson who has recently been accused by multiple women of rape, sexual assault and coercive control.

He also defended Roman Fucking Polanski, who admitted to raping a 13 year old girl, calling him a 'family man'.

Trust me, there absolutely IS dirt on JD.

So my parents fought. My dad was to my mother and is to an even worse degree to my stepmother horribly verbally abusive. He’s been doing it so long he doesn’t even realise it’s not normal and won’t hear anyone criticising him. He constantly puts people down in quite vile ways. My mum is a narcissist and still 40 years later claims my father beat her. I see a lot of my mum in the stories about AH. She was always the first to fly in with fists, throwing plates, boiling tea, pots full of food (yes often in front of us children) and I never once saw my dad do anything other than restrain her or once he pushed her onto the sofa when she attacked him with an iron. Everyone believes my mum
because my dad is a rude arsehole, he actually improves with alcohol but sadly had to stop having a drink. My sibling and I are the only ones who know her stories aren’t true. She’s very convincing.

When we left my dad, she turned her attention to me and would attack me instead and no one believed me then or believes me now because she’s such a loving, caring and kind person who “did everything for us”.

I honestly don’t know either way. I want to believe AH because if she’s lying she’s doing a huge disservice to victims and survivors of DV but I’m struggling watching her testimony. It’s hard to tell with actors sometimes, even bad ones. Neither comes out of this looking good or even remotely likeable.

I get 'I am ready for my close up' vibes from Amber Heard. She seems like a narcissist and clearly was physically abusive to Depp. I don't believe her, she's an abuser and a liar. Doesn't mean Depp is innocent of course. But I don't believe she's telling the truth at all.

Happy to be proven wrong, it's just a strong feeling I get when I listen to her.

I'm just catching up on court TV from last night and just really don't know what to make of her at all.

Says the person, that then announces that Johnny Depp looks creepy with a trivialising demeanour. Likewise, perhaps you would like to advise Johnny Depp of how he should present himself in the witness box.

As I've said earlier in the thread, my DP has had to work with Amber Heard on set, she wasn't particularly famous at the time, in an unsuccessful Indie movie. I.e. a no one. However, she isolated herself in her trailer, acted like the pastiche of an actress (think big shades, fluffy mules and a minder entourage), and refused to allow people near her without invitation. I can assure you actual A-listers, and pleasant people, generally do not act like that. (Usual caveat, I do not know what happened her and JD, but her reputation is not a good one).

AH copying JD’s outfits really puts a different spin on this. That’s scary!

She cries without actual tears?

Bit like how Andrew can't sweat?

She doesn’t come across well. JD did on the stand but AH just doesn’t. Whatever went on and whether JD wins the case or not is kind of irrelevant now, they both showed how ugly they both can be, we’ve all seen how toxic they are. She comes across like she’s acting. People say ‘oh JD is an actor so that’s why he was charming when he was answering questions’ but she’s an actor too. They’re both fucked.

I think The Bahaviour Panel is going to have a field day with this. I will be very interested it what they have to say. They did an earlier one on AH and they didn't believe her.

They did one on Gabby Petito before it was known she'd been murdered and ripped her to shreds. It's pseudoscientific bullshit and they never really disagree with each other about anything which seems odd.

She copied Dr Curry too

There is now a twitter thread where movie buffs are posting movie and TV clips that she quoted from as her 'testimony' while on the stand. Some are verbatim and some are a close retelling of a scene from a movie / tv show that she has adopted as her own.

She had to know there are people out there who memorize movies and know all the lines and scenes.

Worth remembering that his previous partners may or may not have also been using drugs/ alcohol.
They might also have behaved badly while under the influence.
They are not going to speak negatively about him if their own behaviours might be exposed and children are involved.
These type of relationships are codependent
Its not as clear cut as right/ wrong.

AH comes across very mercenary and not terribly clever.
Just because she is a woman doesn't make her the victim. Being a woman does not equate with being a victim by default.

To the last 2 posters, that really is odd!😮

the copying posts I meant.

100% agree with you.

Been watching this, I’m really seeing potentially small bits of truth in what she says about the relationship dynamics. It’s very clear that they were a bad match and shouldn’t have been together.

When she talks about the jealousy and issues over her clothing this is when I feel she’s telling the truth. Obviously his exes have all said he was never abusive in any way but could this be because with each ex he was younger and felt better about himself-more secure but by the time he was in a relationship with Heard who is much younger was he acutely aware he had competition so that tipped him to becoming jealous of her roles, friendships and then critical of how she dressed as he was losing confidence ?

There are press pictures of them out together with her in many styles of dress, including some low cut. And her out alone in many styles of dress, including some low cut. It seems he did have a jealous streak as that has been mentioned by a few people but her retelling of the events and the extreme nature of the jealousy she describes doesn't really match with photographic evidence.

I’m just wondering though if it was subtle so not a case ‘you’re not wearing that’ but quieter passive aggressive comments to chip away at her ? Make her doubt herself?

im not sure. I’m just trying to see this from both sides . It’s difficult though as they are both it seems equally complex with some serious personality and/or addiction problems.

It wouldn’t even surprise me if they got back together they seem that dysfunctional !

i dont agree she is narcissist.
i believe what she said. and she is still very beautiful.
he is an alcoholic and drug abuser.
she was young, in love and naive and believed he would recover totally which was a big mistake.
i hope she comes out of this trauma well.

Her testimony speaks to it as very aggressive and accompanied by rage - and not subtle or passive at all.

They are both highly dysfunctional people - did you see her instagram post two days before trial started - she says in it she has always maintained a love for Johnny. A very weird thing to say given the context.

But this is what the vast majority of dv cases are like if you have to work with them. Not the famous obviously, but the content, the back and forth and people not believing, good and bad on both sides. So whilst people chime in on mumsnet and say they support victims of DA wholeheartedly, they don’t as this thread proves.

what they do want is to be seen as a supporter of victims of abuse and their rights. So long as they don’t have to deal with the nitty gritty or hear both sides.

this why we can never get anywhere with it. Just the hypocrisy I find incredibly distasteful. For example I’ve had many many victims sit in front of me and I can’t tell you whose body language is the same or indicates guilt or which type eventually goes on to be disproved because they are all so different and you cannot tell. Never mind from the forced environment of a court room fgs!

all the posters here why not be honest. You don’t really support victims you just want to be seen as one of the good guys. Happy enough to shout about soundbites, but if faced with anything that doesn’t support the narrative of what you believe a victim is or how they act, or makes you uncomfortable, well, you don’t actually support them at all. It all comes out then as it has here. You just don’t believe them. And that is the majority of cases we see. Where it isn’t always a clear cut good woman bad man.

whatever the result I hope these uncomfortable feelings people are having makes them reflect on what and who they are really. Abuse is abuse and she should be supported not torn apart like this.

I honestly wouldn’t be shocked if they reconciled

I am not sure about on here but many people feel that by supporting Johnny, they are supporting victims of abuse. In this case it goes both ways - perhaps neither act like expected victims yet both report being victimized and details experience of suffering at the hands of the other. Both have received significant backlash and support at different times since 2016 when it all went public.

I can’t tell you whose body language is the same or indicates guilt or which type eventually goes on to be disproved because they are all so different and you cannot tell. Never mind from the forced environment of a court room fgs!
so long and difficult environment.
she survived very well.
she had integrity, no contradictions there.