New employee is a fake, where to go from here?

[londonnotlangdon]

It's a large organisation and I just had to send off her paperwork, passport, things like that

She was given the job after her second interview last week.

However, she has emailed me these documents (fine), and her birth certificate says born in September 2002?

That makes her 19?

This is a problem because, for example, her CV says she was an Executive Assistant to a Director in 2018? When she would've been in school?!

I've asked HR, who haven't replied properly, I've asked them to call. But someone replied to my email of concern with 'so you don't want this new me ever of staff? Why not?'

What can actually be done about this?

No but you should be wary of peppering someone with age/related questions, that is discriminatory. Honestly, a genuine chat is needed here, just get her to talk you through her work history. You can frame it within admiration (which may become genuine if she passes muster)

She had a job at 13 then when she wa sin school-its clearly lying i dont see what discrimination there is

she surely wouldnt have a case

It's interesting that 2 out of 3 of the companies she worked for no longer exist. That way no actual reference from HR department or way to check.

Depends on the job you are expecting her to do. Can she do it to the standard required for the role. Watch out. HR should catch up with her and ask her to explain the discrepancies though. She appears to have shown she is a liar and fake (perhaps a great actress) so what else might come out in time.

Place marking- I’m curious to know how this ends.
+1!

I once worked in a small business that employed a young girl who was great in interviews, over-embellished her experience in credit control weirdly (and of course couple of companies had gone out of business so couldn't be checked..), and looked older - the first day turned up as a completely different person, didn't do the job even with a lot of support, later greatly claimed memory issues, nearly cost us all our jobs in the end as credit control is so important in small biz when not done - took 5 months for the company to get rid as the company, fortunately, had a load of sympathy for her age.

Are the people she gave as referees on LinkedIn?

Exactly it’s fraud and a crime under the Fraud Act 3006. They should know this - or desperately need counter-fraud training!!

Both my employer and DH’s employer have dismissed people in the past for lying on their CVs.

This is an interesting article:

www.reed.com/articles/lying-on-a-cv

What utter bollocks!

It's not discrimination to realise that according to the DOB on someone's ID docs they'd only have been 13 at the time they claimed to have had some high-flying job. That's due diligence imo.

Might be worth raising that aspect on the "work" board on here, there are some very experienced HR people on there (well, unless they're all making it up, of course )

To be honest though if your company had been more rigorous in the early stages this would not have happened. She should have been asked to supply dates she gained her qualifications and show the certificates. Then you would easily see if she was actually in school when she claims to have been working. The interview process surely asked questions about her previous role and she must have been able to answer well if she got the job. This is why CVs aren’t worth the paper they are written on.

At the moment all you have asked for is her previous job titles (which SOUND impressive but doesn’t mean they were, and doesn’t mean she is lying) and her ID. She has provided both.

Ridiculous. It’s possible fraud, not discrimination.

I don't know if this has been mentioned as the thread is log and moving fast, but surely she should have nmber grades for her GCSEs in Maths and English if she is only 19?

I had a job at 15 in an office. I did an hour after school every day 4-5pm. Mainly I emptied the wastepaper bins, batch photocopying, bit of filing/ scanning, did the post office run. It's fallen off the bottom of my cv now but I had it down as administration assistant but junior assistant also would of fitted. My title at 21 was business development executive. Not saying she isn't young/ inexperienced but it is feasible she's had these roles. A nice title with a crappy salary in my experience.

Most people.

@Wahey1980 that’s similar to my experience, no checks on her violent history in work etc but oh she was a hoot years ago according to the interviewer, she interviewed well apparently (no idea if she did as the interviewer pushed for her)but jees she was awful couldn’t even send an email without using text speak, nearly destroyed our relationships with other businesses.

This is astonishing. A candidate says they were working for a major company at the age of 13, and HR are too scared to challenge that?

Please come back and let us know what the result of all this is, OP. I find it pretty disturbing.

Is her name Anna Delvey? (Sorry, not helpful 😅)

I don't think it can be age discrimination if she says she has 7years experience and is 19. It's fact checking. I like the idea above to call back and query the experience. I notice you said you worked at XYZ in 2015. From your birth certificate, you would have been 13 - I'm a little confused.

That's how I'd frame it with HR. Based on her birth certificate, she was 13 in her first job - you want to clarify the accuracy of her CV and as the companies no longer exist the only option available is to ask her directly.

You saved me typing most of that, Feathers
All I'd add is that it seems a bit odd to wonder about age discrimination when any rejection would be based on the plain fact she's lied. Certainly she could try for a case, but she'd be laughed at

This story has reminded me again how grateful I am to be retired from a workplace with the same HR principles.

Pathetically scared of doing anything sums it up.

Employing someone who commits fraud, presumably?

No blue chip company would employ a 13 year old to do ANYTHING. All of us saying "I had a Saturday job at 13" which was 20+ years ago and meant a bit of cash in hand sweeping the floor at the hairdressers are trying to equate that to a major business employing someone not old enough to have an NI number.

It's bollocks. She is lying, either about her age (so her ID is false) or her employment history and references.

OP you need to see her RTW documents in person and take copies yourself, not rely on what she's emailed you, btw. If you confirm that you've seen them and you haven't it's you in the firing line.

No need for dob for employers who don’t practice age discrimination.

OP said upthread that she'd done this and they didn’t match

The minute I read that this person had been working for a major company aged 13, but that this company had conveniently closed down so nothing could be verified, my antennae would have been twitching. The response of HR is……limp, to say the very least. I wouldn’t be letting this go.

Now I need to know which two huge companies like Microsoft and Disney have closed down..maybe they were employing too many 13 year olds

It's not age discrimination, it's misrepresentation and lying that you're trying to get to the bottom of. Simple as that.

Is there no way of tracking someone down from that company? Can you look on linked in and find her old line manager?