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New employee is a fake, where to go from here?

956 replies

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 06:56

It's a large organisation and I just had to send off her paperwork, passport, things like that

She was given the job after her second interview last week.

However, she has emailed me these documents (fine), and her birth certificate says born in September 2002?

That makes her 19?

This is a problem because, for example, her CV says she was an Executive Assistant to a Director in 2018? When she would've been in school?!

I've asked HR, who haven't replied properly, I've asked them to call. But someone replied to my email of concern with 'so you don't want this new me ever of staff? Why not?'

What can actually be done about this?

OP posts:
Nogreenfingers83 · 28/04/2022 10:51

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 07:42

The first two companies don't exist anymore. Gone under. The last one does though

There are 3 companies listed on the CV.

2/3 no longer exist but she said she managed to give us a reference from the one before last because she had contact with her ex boss. We were happy to take that, and the alternative, as advised by HR at the time, was to just Accept the one reference we could've got at the time from the company still standing

But if you look on their website, the emails don't add up.

So obviously each department in that company will work differently but for example the email she gave is '[email protected] and their other contact emails are things like [email protected]

This sounds more dodgy now!

Regularsizedrudy · 28/04/2022 10:51

Btw did her cv come from her or an agency? I’ve had agencies totally butcher cvs before. However I am finding this thread less and less plausible. If she didn’t have the experience surely this would have come across in the TWO interviews…

Justkeeppedaling · 28/04/2022 10:51

What does looks British mean?!

Pale and pasty? Smile

I think you could tell if someone didn't look British - Americans for example are much more polished in general though not always in a good way.

ProfessorSlocombe · 28/04/2022 10:55

The bigger picture is that if an employee gains a role by fraud and misrepresentation and "something" occurs at a later date which involves the companies duty of care to the public, there could be a very damaging legal dimension to all this.

The main reason this company seems to be squirming is whatever super-duper new-fangled talent pipeline they are running, it seems incapable of picking out a faked cv after not one but two bites of the cherry. If the HR people at this place were recruited the same way no wonder they are useless.

Makes me wonder who on earth is actually making money at this place ? Seems they could easily slim down rather then recruit ....

Jaxhog · 28/04/2022 10:56

Something is very wrong here. The whole point of asking for this information is to check she is who she says she is! HR should be following up with her ASAP.

Solidarityovercharity · 28/04/2022 10:56

Maybe she'll be brilliant? She's evidently resourceful. I pretended I was older for my first job- I was secretly still a school girl. I lasted a long time in that job and became one of their best employees. The experience was very good for me.

Nogreenfingers83 · 28/04/2022 10:58

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 10:24

I have spoken to HR. Got the answer I thought I'd get - Dodgy ground as it could be classed as age discrimstion. I said how when the dates don't add up? She told me because you're looking to closely at her age and judging from that fact what she can and can't achieve Confused

I have been advised to not ask her anything else until I speak to someone more senior as it could be again seen as discrimination and I don't have the option to withdraw the offer yet

I have asked to speak to someone more senior. They're in later this afternoon but unsure when. They're going to call. If they don't then I will call again.

But your questions are not really about her age anymore. The age thing prompted you to take a closer look, but the real issue is that the references she gave don't stack up, emails don't exist etc. That's a legitimate concern surely?

MajorCarolDanvers · 28/04/2022 10:59

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 10:24

I have spoken to HR. Got the answer I thought I'd get - Dodgy ground as it could be classed as age discrimstion. I said how when the dates don't add up? She told me because you're looking to closely at her age and judging from that fact what she can and can't achieve Confused

I have been advised to not ask her anything else until I speak to someone more senior as it could be again seen as discrimination and I don't have the option to withdraw the offer yet

I have asked to speak to someone more senior. They're in later this afternoon but unsure when. They're going to call. If they don't then I will call again.

Utter rubbish from HR

This is not about age discrimination but about inconsistencies between her CV and ID

90sBritPop · 28/04/2022 10:59

Justkeeppedaling · 28/04/2022 10:51

What does looks British mean?!

Pale and pasty? Smile

I think you could tell if someone didn't look British - Americans for example are much more polished in general though not always in a good way.

OP has clarified this and said she’s not white.

I can tell Brits/Americans/Aussies a mile off. I can’t explain why or how. Also Eastern Europeans. It’s a dress sense a way they carry themselves, mannerisms etc.

Americans are definitely not more polished and I’m married to one 🤣

CloudPop · 28/04/2022 11:00

What does her Linked In profile say, do the dates match up ?

Blimeyherewegoagain · 28/04/2022 11:00

If she’s been offered the job, why do you see if she can actually do it? You never know, she might be great. Presumably if she isn’t then her trial period won’t be extended and she’ll be let go at that point.

PenelopeLively · 28/04/2022 11:00

@Solidarityovercharity that’s very nice and probably the majority of people just want a foot in and a chance but the screens are to check for the 1% that could defraud and damage the company/public image.

TellingBone · 28/04/2022 11:01

OP, why will you not answer the questions about her P45 and/or application for tax code?

90sBritPop · 28/04/2022 11:02

Blimeyherewegoagain · 28/04/2022 11:00

If she’s been offered the job, why do you see if she can actually do it? You never know, she might be great. Presumably if she isn’t then her trial period won’t be extended and she’ll be let go at that point.

Because (and this has been said many times) it could be fraud and CV fraud is a crime under the Fraud Act 2006.

Original poster
londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 11:02

@TellingBone She said she didn't have it for now, so HR are using an emergency one

I didn't question it because it's happened to other employees before actually and it just means that they're slightly out of pocket tax wise sometimes

OP posts:
DogInATent · 28/04/2022 11:02

Her application passed the sift.
Her interview was exemplary.
Her references checked out.
You've offered her the job.
Her identity documents check out.

The problem isn't one of false identity or fraud, but disbelief (verging on age discrimination) that having found out her date of birth you now doubt your own judgement throughout the recruitment process up until this point.

Nothing you've said is evidence of fraud or deception, although there is a debatable credibility gap. Be very careful what you do or say about this.

Blimeyherewegoagain · 28/04/2022 11:02

Alternatively can’t you just get back to her and say that the dates don’t match and you were wondering how she managed to do her job whilst still at school. That’s not an unreasonable thing to ask surely?

LBOCS2 · 28/04/2022 11:03

Have you looked her 'references' up on LinkedIn? If you can identify them on there, you will be able to see whether they did in fact work from the companies that she's claiming they did. If they didn't then she's falsifying her references and that's a smoking gun completely aside from her age to withdraw the offer.

90sBritPop · 28/04/2022 11:03

TellingBone · 28/04/2022 11:01

OP, why will you not answer the questions about her P45 and/or application for tax code?

Yes I’ve posted loads about this but it’s been skipped over.

Deadringer · 28/04/2022 11:03

I know a couple of people who blagged their way into several jobs, they always used references from well known companies that had gone under. One of them never kept the jobs for long as they were way under qualified, the other one did very well. Lots of people on here are saying how smart and resourceful she is, but if she is that clever she must realise that her length of experience doesn't tally with her age. It's all very fishy.

myfanwybygaslight · 28/04/2022 11:03

This is awful of your HR. It's not age discrimination, it's potential fraud!

Original poster
londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 11:04

DogInATent · 28/04/2022 11:02

Her application passed the sift.
Her interview was exemplary.
Her references checked out.
You've offered her the job.
Her identity documents check out.

The problem isn't one of false identity or fraud, but disbelief (verging on age discrimination) that having found out her date of birth you now doubt your own judgement throughout the recruitment process up until this point.

Nothing you've said is evidence of fraud or deception, although there is a debatable credibility gap. Be very careful what you do or say about this.

But it hasn't passed. Because the dates don't add up

OP posts:
Comefromaway · 28/04/2022 11:04

Does her CV list any education details, places attended/dates etc.

My dd was born in 2001 and her CV is pretty decent albeit some of it was working for my business and some was working p/t during 6th form but it's very clear these were p/t jobs.

Snoopsnoggysnog · 28/04/2022 11:05

The OP has already said that the candidate doesn’t have a linked in profile

Snoopsnoggysnog · 28/04/2022 11:07

DogInATent · 28/04/2022 11:02

Her application passed the sift.
Her interview was exemplary.
Her references checked out.
You've offered her the job.
Her identity documents check out.

The problem isn't one of false identity or fraud, but disbelief (verging on age discrimination) that having found out her date of birth you now doubt your own judgement throughout the recruitment process up until this point.

Nothing you've said is evidence of fraud or deception, although there is a debatable credibility gap. Be very careful what you do or say about this.

Her references have not checked out!
And her ID calls into question her work history.
Both reasonable reasons to take a pause at this point and investigate.