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Original poster

New employee is a fake, where to go from here?

956 replies

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 06:56

It's a large organisation and I just had to send off her paperwork, passport, things like that

She was given the job after her second interview last week.

However, she has emailed me these documents (fine), and her birth certificate says born in September 2002?

That makes her 19?

This is a problem because, for example, her CV says she was an Executive Assistant to a Director in 2018? When she would've been in school?!

I've asked HR, who haven't replied properly, I've asked them to call. But someone replied to my email of concern with 'so you don't want this new me ever of staff? Why not?'

What can actually be done about this?

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PenelopeLively · 28/04/2022 10:26

Exactly!! @Octomore

ShirleyPhallus · 28/04/2022 10:26

SalsaLove · 28/04/2022 10:18

Just ask another PA to have chat with her and then you will know if she’s faking her experience.

Also awful advice!

ShirleyPhallus · 28/04/2022 10:26

SalsaLove · 28/04/2022 10:18

Just ask another PA to have chat with her and then you will know if she’s faking her experience.

Also awful advice!

Octomore · 28/04/2022 10:26

She told me because you're looking to closely at her age and judging from that fact what she can and can't achieve

That's bollocks. The age shows that she has lied - if your HR can't recognise CV fraud when they see it, they're not very bright.

SaintJavelin · 28/04/2022 10:26

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 10:24

I have spoken to HR. Got the answer I thought I'd get - Dodgy ground as it could be classed as age discrimstion. I said how when the dates don't add up? She told me because you're looking to closely at her age and judging from that fact what she can and can't achieve Confused

I have been advised to not ask her anything else until I speak to someone more senior as it could be again seen as discrimination and I don't have the option to withdraw the offer yet

I have asked to speak to someone more senior. They're in later this afternoon but unsure when. They're going to call. If they don't then I will call again.

Is your HR department run by monkeys? There's a very high possibility that this woman is fraudulent.

Toponeniceon · 28/04/2022 10:28

Yes and an offer would be subject to references and hers will not be real.

qpmz · 28/04/2022 10:29

You're her prospective line manager. Surely it's not to late to do something about this! I would go back to HR with specific examples of the inconsistencies. You have a right to question this. A CV cannot contain lies.

FeathersMcGee · 28/04/2022 10:30

Octomore · 28/04/2022 10:26

She told me because you're looking to closely at her age and judging from that fact what she can and can't achieve

That's bollocks. The age shows that she has lied - if your HR can't recognise CV fraud when they see it, they're not very bright.

Have you told them that her work history on her CV shows that she was an executive assistant at the age of 13?

Honestly, no wonder I encounter so many terrible people at interview. I often wonder how they got their previous jobs. Now I’m starting to see.

Original poster
londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 10:30

But HR today did seem to agree with me but they don't seem to want to do anything in fear of being seen as discriminatory

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Twentypast · 28/04/2022 10:30

BobLemon · 28/04/2022 09:46

If the OP isn’t concerned about the identity thing, then what? You think she’s too young to get £40k?

People embellish their CVs ALL THE TIME in order to secure an interview. It sounds like that’s what has happened, and at interview it was decided she was suitable for the job. So the problem is…?

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This isn't a slight embellishment. It sounds like the whole CV is faked.

milkyaqua · 28/04/2022 10:30

People embellish their CVs ALL THE TIME in order to secure an interview. It sounds like that’s what has happened, and at interview it was decided she was suitable for the job. So the problem is…?

Fraud. It's a criminal offence.

Inventing a job history, writing a false reference from a self-created email address... It's sociopathic behaviour really.

HairyBum · 28/04/2022 10:31

hr have every right right to check gaps and inconsistencies.

50ShadesOfCatholic · 28/04/2022 10:31

How intriguing! I’m dying for you to get to the bottom of this 🤣

Whatever is going on, she sounds like good talent. She’s either exceptional for 29 or great for a 20-something.

What is it you are afraid of if she has the job?

Juniper68 · 28/04/2022 10:31

Shocking HR department.

PenelopeLively · 28/04/2022 10:31

This is what I encountered in my job. ‘Too scared to do anything’ so they let an employee that gained her job on deceit abuse me for 2 years. Awful.

SmallSoupcon · 28/04/2022 10:32

Wow, lying on your cv is age discrimination? Baffling 🤔

FeathersMcGee · 28/04/2022 10:32

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 10:30

But HR today did seem to agree with me but they don't seem to want to do anything in fear of being seen as discriminatory

Do you have a legal department? They can advise HR that they are talking out of their fundament. You’d be rejecting her if she was 19 or 39 or 59, because She is lying to you.

HairyBum · 28/04/2022 10:32

I have never lied on my cv and would be cautious about employing someone who does lie

Echosound · 28/04/2022 10:32

Your hr dept are talking nonsense. It’s not age discrim to dismiss someone for lying about their whole work history

Original poster
londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 10:33

PenelopeLively · 28/04/2022 10:31

This is what I encountered in my job. ‘Too scared to do anything’ so they let an employee that gained her job on deceit abuse me for 2 years. Awful.

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PenelopeLively · 28/04/2022 10:33

@50ShadesOfCatholic what is she afraid of? Well I guess why do we bother with anything and just give anyone the job.

ShirleyPhallus · 28/04/2022 10:34

SalsaLove · 28/04/2022 10:18

Just ask another PA to have chat with her and then you will know if she’s faking her experience.

Also awful advice!

PenelopeLively · 28/04/2022 10:34

@londonnotlangdon sorry to add my tale of woe, I’m sure you don’t need it right now, suppose bringing back bad memories for me sorry. Hopefully the senior can give you help later

Leftbutcameback · 28/04/2022 10:34

So is the person you spoke to in HR quote junior and the senior person they refer to is also on HR? I would be emphasising to them you have concerns about the ID as they will know that there are possible criminal offences and the company would be in trouble. That would get them moving, although I would put it in writing so it doesn't all come back on you later.

90sBritPop · 28/04/2022 10:35

londonnotlangdon · 28/04/2022 10:17

She was brilliant in the interview and as I say, she answered all the questions fantastically

Me and my colleague were impressed.

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I think her ‘gift of the gab’ just took you by surprise/blinded you.

Actually most scammers have the gift of the gab. That’s how they are scammers.

There could be serious implications if you hire a fraudster (I posted this link already but I recommend reading it) Employment fraud especially if she has access to sensitive information, it could really damage the reputation of the business.

HR have really failed here by not noticing the date discrepancy but I’m not surprised going on experience. I think your business need to bring in mandatory counter-fraud training.

You need to conduct further checks no matter how amazing she was at interview. If she’s faked a reference that’s an offence under the Fraud Act 2006 and I don’t mean to scare you but aiding a fraudster (even unwittingly) can come with a penalty.