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Ukraine Invasion: Part 22

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MagicFox · 23/04/2022 10:06

Here we are again

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RedToothBrush · 27/04/2022 08:05

Someone was detained in Belgorod on suspicion of being a spy

Max Fras AT maxfras
I can't wait for another video

Here we go - another 'Ukrainian Nazism sympathizer' detailed by the FSB this morning is clearly wearing a British MI6 uniform

Ukraine Invasion: Part 22
Ukraine Invasion: Part 22
OwlsDance · 27/04/2022 08:05

There's news on Russian news site that they've arrested 2 Russians in Belgorod who were leaking info to Ukraine about Rusdian forces and were preparing for diversion in one of transport infrastructures.

So it does sound like there's pro-Ukraine (anti-Russia?) Groups in Russia.

OwlsDance · 27/04/2022 08:06

Cross Post!

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2022 08:10

Can't wait until we see some arrested French saboteurs with stripy tshirts, some Americans with stetsons, Canadians with hockey sticks strapped to their backs.

They will obviously be carrying a games console so they can use their sim cards mind.

Natsku · 27/04/2022 08:12

Russian media is now labelling Finland fascist and saying its been fascist since WWII (today is Veteran's Day so everyone is looking back at WWII of course and the fight against Russia then), they are really pissed about how fast the move towards NATO is going. The research director at the European centre for hybrid threats is warning now that this is a critical stage and Russia will try its best to derail us joining NATO with information war, increasing cyber attacks (massive attack on hotel chains recently) and moving troops around to scare other countries into blocking entry, but that it might be even more serious in the 3rd phase when we are actually joining NATO. Possibly massive even life-threatening cyber attacks like gps attacks to make ships run aground, attempts to interfere with hospital equipment like cutting off electricity affecting patients on ventilators (Finland is already limiting transfer of electricity from Russia to safeguard against this).

Hah that thread is gold @TiddyTidTwo!

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2022 08:13

OwlsDance · 27/04/2022 08:05

There's news on Russian news site that they've arrested 2 Russians in Belgorod who were leaking info to Ukraine about Rusdian forces and were preparing for diversion in one of transport infrastructures.

So it does sound like there's pro-Ukraine (anti-Russia?) Groups in Russia.

Errrrr no.

They got a guy in a tshirt with a union jack on.

Probably kitted out by the FSB props department.

Igotjelly · 27/04/2022 08:17

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/04/2022 08:03

There might be a technological delay in cutting off the deliveries.

That’s what I had thought but seems that the flow had reduced to zero earlier in the day before restarting.

Ijsbear · 27/04/2022 08:31

Test run? Warning shot?

Actually, those gas lines must be carrying a lot of gas. If its not flowing out of Russia what do they do with it? Do they have enough storage facilities?

notimagain · 27/04/2022 08:35

@Natsku

"Possibly massive even life-threatening cyber attacks like gps attacks to make ships run aground,"

You'd hope that (as is the case in aviation) the maritime industry has methods/procedures for dealing with attacks on GPS before the situation gets so bad that vessels start running into things...but it's also true any such attack by the Russians could be a major PITA and might cause disruption.

TargusEasting · 27/04/2022 08:38

TiddyTidTwo · 27/04/2022 07:56

Is that Oleksii Reznikov next to Austin in the defence group photo? He's such a cool dude and playing a blinder.

TiddyTidTwo · 27/04/2022 08:39

Lg I can't find anywhere that says it's switched back on the gas?

Ijsbear · 27/04/2022 08:40

Seems that Russia selling oil to India is not problem-free either. Trent will be happy, it's logistics! (Marine version) www.aljazeera.com/economy/2022/4/27/india-struggles-to-find-vessel-to-ship-crude-from-russia

Natsku · 27/04/2022 08:52

notimagain · 27/04/2022 08:35

@Natsku

"Possibly massive even life-threatening cyber attacks like gps attacks to make ships run aground,"

You'd hope that (as is the case in aviation) the maritime industry has methods/procedures for dealing with attacks on GPS before the situation gets so bad that vessels start running into things...but it's also true any such attack by the Russians could be a major PITA and might cause disruption.

Would certainly hope so, and if not, then they are preparing safeguards right now like with the electricity flow (also companies have been told to make sure their important stuff like servers or controls or whatever cannot be accessed by hacking, and hopefully they are doing that)

GaspodeWonderCat · 27/04/2022 08:56

You'd hope that (as is the case in aviation) the maritime industry has methods/procedures for dealing with attacks on GPS before the situation gets so bad that vessels start running into things..

Watched a programme on HMS Queen Elizabeth (CH5?) and one of the exercises ordered by the Commodore was for all junior offices to get their sextants out and find the ships position. He said in event of war the satellites would be the first to go ... hence no GPS.

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2022 09:09

GaspodeWonderCat · 27/04/2022 08:56

You'd hope that (as is the case in aviation) the maritime industry has methods/procedures for dealing with attacks on GPS before the situation gets so bad that vessels start running into things..

Watched a programme on HMS Queen Elizabeth (CH5?) and one of the exercises ordered by the Commodore was for all junior offices to get their sextants out and find the ships position. He said in event of war the satellites would be the first to go ... hence no GPS.

I think its also contingency planning for solar flares possibly knocking out gps / electric. Its known risk and one which army / navy would probably be called into resolve so if they aren't doing this, youd kinda wonder what they were doing!

notimagain · 27/04/2022 09:32

Losing GPS in many circumstances isn't the end of the world...the Russians have been clobbering the signal over large chunks of the north eastern Mediterranean (usually to the north east of Cyprus) for some years but it's been perfectly possible to fly through that airspace without getting lost.

FWIW in the (large) aircraft case GPS is only one several devices that provide position information to the navigation system (others are usually ground based radio beacons and a system called inertial navigation)....so if GPS breaks or gets denied it's really not the end of the world, the system reverts to using one of the other (usually slightly less accurate than GPS) inputs as it's primary source for navigation...The only consequence if that happens is that in bad weather you cannot fly into some airports that only have instrument approaches predicated on having GPS working.

Don't know much about floating stuff but I know some larger ships ( and certainly some boats Wink) have inertial navigation and radio inputs as well as GPS as part of the navigation suite so short term at least GPS outage shouldn't be a major problem for them.

OTOH anybody navigating solely by reference to GPS (e.g. a simple hand held commercial receiver) might have problems in low visibility.

Igotjelly · 27/04/2022 09:33

Ukrainecast well worth a listen today.

drinkingwineoutofamug · 27/04/2022 09:37

Igotjelly · 27/04/2022 07:31

Seems to be some confusion, Gazprom just announced that they have cut off all gas deliveries to both Poland and Bulgaria yet both still seem to be receiving it.

They never switched it off. Just read on Bulgarian news site that the argument was over paying in dollars to roubles for gas and countries worried they would be fiddled . Thank was my take anyway.

Igotjelly · 27/04/2022 09:50

Washington Post Article

Interesting information regarding potential state ties to the DJI drone company that have since pulled out of Russia citing the War in Ukraine.

EsmaCannonball · 27/04/2022 10:22

Given how the war in Ukraine is going it might seem insane for Putin to target Moldova, but there's an article in The Spectator arguing that failure in Ukraine might actually be the spur for doing this. Putin needs to claim a victory and Moldova is more likely to give him one.

But what if, in order to protect the south, Ukraine engages Russia in Transnistria?

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/04/2022 10:25

I fear they see insane as a challenge not a deterrent.

Ijsbear · 27/04/2022 11:06

The Ukrainecast was somewhat sobering. For all the messups, the Russian army -is- making small gains and the coordination seems better under this General.

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2022 12:32

Ukraine has released a recording of a Russian Military official stating that the Ukrainian number of dead is understated and the real official Russian figure is 25,900.

I'll wait until an english subtitled version is released on twitter before linking.

RedToothBrush · 27/04/2022 12:36

How the UK has changed in just months. Money issues are massive and more important than Defence / Foreign Affairs so worth keeping an eye on.

(Brexit is 11th and Immigration is 12th btw).

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