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Ukraine Invasion: Part 22

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MagicFox · 23/04/2022 10:06

Here we are again

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RedToothBrush · 25/04/2022 17:10

Samuel Ramani AT SamRamani2
BREAKING: Explosions have been reported in Tiraspol, which is located in Moldova’s breakaway region of Transnistria

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2022 17:11

The point here (which is why you don't need to see the vid) is that Telenko thinks that planes are starting to drop out the sky because they can't maintain them properly anymore.

They are sending their own people on suicide missions if that is the case.

notimagain · 25/04/2022 17:15

Proximity fuzes will be Targus...'s specialist territory but the general idea is they make shells/warheads go bang when they are near/close to a target, rather than the shell having to hit a target before going bang...(the squeamish might want to look away now) very useful if you want for example a shell/warhead to explode a few metres up in the air and cover an area with shrapnel....an area covered with perhaps infantry or soft skinned vehicles.

It certainly would make sense for the Ukranians to have them and the Russian's be denied them.

BTW the French are supposedly supplying amongst other things an unknown number (rumour is 12) Caesar artillery units. Because they're 155 mm calibre the deal involves supplying the shells as well as the guns, plus of course training).

www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2022/04/24/france-is-delivering-caesar-cannons-and-milan-anti-tank-missiles-to-kiev_5981417_4.html

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2022 17:15

Kyiv Independent

Ukrainian intelligence denies plans to kill Russian propagandist Vladimir Solovyov.

Russia's Federal Security Service (FSB) said on April 25 that the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) had hired neo-Nazis to plot his assassination.

The SBU called this "fantasies" and said that Solovyov would be "tried by international courts for his Goebbels-style murderous propaganda."

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 25/04/2022 17:17

Natsku · 25/04/2022 16:51

Haven't seen that in the Finnish news yet, where did you hear this?

All over the Swedish media.

www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/Wj54Rj/uppgifter-sverige-och-finland-skickar-gemensam-natoansokan

LoveLarry · 25/04/2022 17:19

twitter.com/francska1/status/1518545733242212356?s=21&t=tZyZO_VhKezbAoOe6iaCMg

This is from Francis Scarr who reports on Russian tv and is about a supposedly foiled attempt to kill the tv presenter, the very sane and rational Solovyov

It's a serious post but the replies are comedy gold.

TheABC · 25/04/2022 17:19

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 25/04/2022 11:26

The Russian propaganda is very old-fashioned and pompous, that's what makes it even more difficult for us to understand.

Ukrainians are much better at this.

Look at the ages of the respective sides. Putin is 70 and the people around him are not much younger. Zelensky is 44 - Millennium generation. It's a completely different worldview and approach.

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2022 17:21

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2022 17:10

Samuel Ramani AT SamRamani2
BREAKING: Explosions have been reported in Tiraspol, which is located in Moldova’s breakaway region of Transnistria

Euromaidan
It happened 24h after announcement that land corridor from RU to occupied Crimea and #Transnistria might be current Russia’s goal

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2022 17:23

Mariupol City council is saying they believe 3 to 9 thousand civilians are buried in a mass grave in an area called Mangush.

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2022 17:26

Zelensky is 44 - Millennium generation. It's a completely different worldview and approach.

Us 43/44 year olds are NOT millennials!!!

We are Gen X and potentially Xiennials (a micro generation between Gen X and Millennials which does fit in with either properly).

But we are definitely NOT Millennials and we get over looked so bloody much between Boomers and Millennials that it needs to be shouted about as we are the lost generation between the two who are hugely important!!

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2022 17:31

twitter.com/Hromadske/status/1518620392335847424?t=m5kJ7wDCyt0Ok3ugdsVIGQ&s=19

Third mass grave found 5 km from Mariupol in the village Staryi Krym. The first excavated trenches in the cemetery near Staryi Krym appeared on March 24, after the village was occupied by the Russian military. On Planet satellite image they are 60-70 meters long
Satelite revealed new trenches on April 24. The length of the mass grave has increased to more than 200 meters — Ukrainian investigating project @cxemu 2/2

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2022 17:34

Igor Sushko AT igorsusko
A military air force base is on fire in Ussuriysk, Russia - near China border.
In the past 24 hours, the following have been sabotaged:
Bryansk People's Republic - oil depot, military base, meat processing plant
Police stations in: Moscow, Irkutsk, and Novosibirsk.

Ussuriysk is closer to Vladivostock than Ukraine...

And then Moldova?

Hmmm... This feels... Nervous...

notimagain · 25/04/2022 17:34

I know Telenko is highly regarded but I think he's going out on a hell of a limb with that analysis..

I've seen that video - yes there's no obvious damage but it doesn't mean the aircraft is intact and flat spin certainly does not equal poor maintenance.

For all we know there might have been a shrapnel damage (SAM/artillery)on a small scale that led to a hydraulic leak that led to control loss that lead to the flat spin, or resulted in some other flight control problems..TBH it's possible to get some types of aircraft into a flat spin simply through gross misshandling, though less likely with modern types

It also not unknown for aircraft to be able to absorb a small hit, perhaps holing hydraulic lines, not lose big pieces of structure, and then fly on for quite some time post the strike before finally succumbing to battle damage...

In short you can't really draw many conclusions from that video, other than the aircraft crashed.

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2022 17:39

notimagain · 25/04/2022 17:34

I know Telenko is highly regarded but I think he's going out on a hell of a limb with that analysis..

I've seen that video - yes there's no obvious damage but it doesn't mean the aircraft is intact and flat spin certainly does not equal poor maintenance.

For all we know there might have been a shrapnel damage (SAM/artillery)on a small scale that led to a hydraulic leak that led to control loss that lead to the flat spin, or resulted in some other flight control problems..TBH it's possible to get some types of aircraft into a flat spin simply through gross misshandling, though less likely with modern types

It also not unknown for aircraft to be able to absorb a small hit, perhaps holing hydraulic lines, not lose big pieces of structure, and then fly on for quite some time post the strike before finally succumbing to battle damage...

In short you can't really draw many conclusions from that video, other than the aircraft crashed.

Fair enough.

Natsku · 25/04/2022 17:43

@BringBackCoffeeCreams Is that the Swedish tabloids? Because only Iltalehti have said this here and Iltalehti is basically the Daily Mail of Finland and needs a large pinch of salt. I've checked the parliament press releases, its still in the foreign affairs committee stage here, then has to go back to Parliament for a reading and final debate and only then will the decision be made.

Natsku · 25/04/2022 17:48

RedToothBrush · 25/04/2022 17:34

Igor Sushko AT igorsusko
A military air force base is on fire in Ussuriysk, Russia - near China border.
In the past 24 hours, the following have been sabotaged:
Bryansk People's Republic - oil depot, military base, meat processing plant
Police stations in: Moscow, Irkutsk, and Novosibirsk.

Ussuriysk is closer to Vladivostock than Ukraine...

And then Moldova?

Hmmm... This feels... Nervous...

What is going on in Russia? Could it be the start of some kind of uprising or just a whole series of "accidents"?

Moldova thing is worrying

DuncinToffee · 25/04/2022 17:52

Evgan Vorobiov @ vorobyov

Numerous reports that the US-donated artillery systems have already arrived to Ukraine.

Which probably means that Ukrainian servicemen have already undergone the training on using these goodies (an "an undisclosed location abroad"). Fast.

God bless the United States of America.

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 25/04/2022 17:54

Natsku · 25/04/2022 17:43

@BringBackCoffeeCreams Is that the Swedish tabloids? Because only Iltalehti have said this here and Iltalehti is basically the Daily Mail of Finland and needs a large pinch of salt. I've checked the parliament press releases, its still in the foreign affairs committee stage here, then has to go back to Parliament for a reading and final debate and only then will the decision be made.

I don't actually know which Swedish papers are considered tabloids. But it's also being reported on SVT which is the equivalent of the BBC.

www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/uppgifter-finland-och-sverige-kan-skicka-in-natoansokan-samtidigt

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 25/04/2022 17:57

And now the Daily Mail are reporting it so it's most likely bollocks.

Igotjelly · 25/04/2022 18:00

It’s on the Guardian live feed too @BringBackCoffeeCreams

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 25/04/2022 18:02

I must confess to being torn on the 'alleged' decision to join NATO. Part of me is terrified about what this will unleash. The other part is jumping up and down screaming 'in your face you Putrid sack of baby murdering shit'.

katem98 · 25/04/2022 18:05

This whole situation is just SHIT! So many innocent lives affected it makes me sick to my stomachSad

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 25/04/2022 18:06

It's interesting that all the reports are quoting each other as sources. The British press are quoting the Swedish press, the Swedish press are quoting Expressen, and Expressen are quoting the Finish media who are reporting what the Swedes are saying. It's making my head hurt.

Ijsbear · 25/04/2022 18:06

OwlsDance · 25/04/2022 16:22

Long term lurker.

I had a read on BBC Russia website (I speak Russian) where they talked to a few people that also escaped Mariupol. They narrative was quite different, they said the camps weren't that bad, the conditions I mean.

They did talk about interrogations and looking through phones. Russian are also very deceitful regarding where the buses or trains are going, telling people they can get off at any stop but then not being allowed to. They all said they do return passports. Some Ukrainians end up lying that they don't support ukraine and are happy to leave because of fear of repercussions if they told the truth. Russians also kept offering them to declare themselves as refugees, there's 10k rubles payment if they do that, but most people don't want to stay in Russia, so they refused. The ones that BBC talked to, managed to leave Russia via Estonia, Armenia, Georgia, etc. mostly with help of volunteers who helped them.

I find this very interesting and I'm glad to see a Russian-language perspective that is a bit more neutral than the English-language one. Even Al-Jazeera has different perspectives according to the language the article is published in, from what I read a while ago.

I don't think the English language press report the other side much at all, which goes back to what do you allow to be published and why. But personally I just can't believe that the level of populations processing that went on during Stalinist times is being replicated now (yet).

A balanced view is really valuable.

Igotjelly · 25/04/2022 18:11

BringBackCoffeeCreams · 25/04/2022 18:02

I must confess to being torn on the 'alleged' decision to join NATO. Part of me is terrified about what this will unleash. The other part is jumping up and down screaming 'in your face you Putrid sack of baby murdering shit'.

I’m no convinced it will unleash anything other than some Willy waggling and manoeuvring of systems.

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