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Do you think the queen is really poorly?

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Meltinthemiddle · 14/04/2022 21:36

As in dying 😔. I know she is very old and fragile at 95 but I do wonder if she is trying to keep going until the Royal jubilee.

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FloraPostePosts · 15/04/2022 23:08

@Pallisers

But I think it’s really distasteful to speculate on somebody’s death like this.

Well it is for those of us who aren't UK citizens. We would be speculating on the death of a random elderly woman. But for those of you who are citizens of the UK isn't about wondering who will be your next monarch? head of your government? When? I could well see how you might be interested in that.

We know who will be our next monarch.

The Queen isn’t the head of our government.

I would feel it distasteful to speculate on anyone’s potential death on a public forum.

FloraPostePosts · 15/04/2022 23:10

@lameasahorse

If we shouldn't be talking about her potential death, then we shouldn't also have media coverage after she dies. It is either a private family matter, or it is a matter of public interest.
That’s ridiculous.

It is a matter of public interest when the monarch dies and there is a change.

What is distasteful is saying: ooh, she looks ill, do you think she’ll die soon? Which is what this thread started out as. I wouldn’t talk like that about a stranger I saw in the supermarket, and I know as much about the queen’s personal circumstances as any of those people. And unless you work int he royal household, that’s as much as the rest of you do.

FloraPostePosts · 15/04/2022 23:12

[quote lameasahorse]@FloraPostePosts if she was 95 I wouldn't care. My gran died at 98 and we had talked about how she could die fairly soon. That is realistic when people get very old.[/quote]
You honestly wouldn’t care if people were gossiping about whether your gran looked ill enough that she might be dying, on a public forum? Just because she was old?

Bloody hell.

Interested in this thread?

Then you might like threads about this subject:

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pinkBamboo · 15/04/2022 23:16

@ChildDLA

We're on holiday atm. Due back next Wednesday, if the country's in mourning will flights be cancelled?
The most ridiculous post I've seen on Mumsnet
BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 15/04/2022 23:27

Whenever a Celeb dies, it always feels like there's a smugness from whoever posts the very first MN thread about it.

When Her Maj passes, I may have to stay off MN for a day or two so I don't burst a bloodvessel at the rush to be the first to post a thread.

bigred22 · 15/04/2022 23:33

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

Whenever a Celeb dies, it always feels like there's a smugness from whoever posts the very first MN thread about it.

When Her Maj passes, I may have to stay off MN for a day or two so I don't burst a bloodvessel at the rush to be the first to post a thread.

Couldn't agree more
HopingForMyRainbowBaby · 16/04/2022 00:00

@MattDamon

She was riding her horse up until she was 94. She's had a great run. I hope she's got her feet up, telly on, thumbing through her private photo albums.
Nah she'll be sat with a pink gin and tonic and a bag of crisps whilst thumbing through Mumsnet, reading everyone's speculations as to whether or not she's about to pop off this mortal coil any second!! On a more serious note though. I reckon at almost 96 I'd be wanting to take a step back and have a rest. Not have to dress up in my poshest clothes and face the public all the time.
lameasahorse · 16/04/2022 00:02

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FloraPostePosts · 16/04/2022 00:23

[quote lameasahorse]@FloraPostePosts People are not saying - oooh she looks ill bet she is about to die.
It is natural though to say I wonder if this event means she may be very ill and about to die. Because the Palace lie to us. They were saying Philip was fine until days before he died. It is those lies that encourage speculation.[/quote]
The OP literally says:

Do you think the queen is really poorly?

As in dying 😔. I know she is very old and fragile at 95 but I do wonder if she is trying to keep going until the Royal jubilee

lameasahorse · 16/04/2022 00:29

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FloraPostePosts · 16/04/2022 00:33

@lameasahorse

I still think if people could trust the palace there would not be this speculation.
What would change if we all knew the ins and outs of her precise health conditions? She will die when she does, and everything which must follow from that, will follow. If she is no longer capable of carrying on in her role, there are well rehearsed protocols in place.

It’s just prurience and nosiness. Ironic, given the number of people on this forum who get up in arms and start shouting about GDPR because someone tells their sister in law their shoe size, or something equally trivial.

BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz · 16/04/2022 00:34

Thing is, we don't actually need to know if/when she is ill or well. She is alive = she is the Queen. She is dead = we now have a new monarch.

Why exactly do we need to know anything else?

ValerieCupcake · 16/04/2022 00:42

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

Whenever a Celeb dies, it always feels like there's a smugness from whoever posts the very first MN thread about it.

When Her Maj passes, I may have to stay off MN for a day or two so I don't burst a bloodvessel at the rush to be the first to post a thread.

Or wait for the Daily Mail. Someone always "leads the stars" in tributes.
RiverSkater · 16/04/2022 00:42

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

Whenever a Celeb dies, it always feels like there's a smugness from whoever posts the very first MN thread about it.

When Her Maj passes, I may have to stay off MN for a day or two so I don't burst a bloodvessel at the rush to be the first to post a thread.

My DP is just this, he can't wait to tell me who has died, 'did you hear, so and so died' I get the news like every day else. I say every time yes, I know, I heard.

It's like he enjoys it, the sharp intake of breath, the oh no etc. Whats with that?

ValerieCupcake · 16/04/2022 00:49

@JaniieJones

'It was then suggested to Charles that he should marry a virgin, which is how he ended up married to 19-year-old Diana, who he barely knew and with whom he had nothing in common.'

Yes and surely it's her family's fault for not protecting her rather than Charle's for blindly going along with mummy's preferences.

Diana's brother and sister should have stopped it in it's tracks knowing she was far too vulnerable to take on what was coming. That awful speech he made at her funeral with no self awareness at all of their grabby part in it.

Diana's brother was 16 years old.
lameasahorse · 16/04/2022 01:01

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lborgia · 16/04/2022 01:32

I did not say that it made it less distasteful, I said it was naive to think that a thread on mn was the first time something like this has happened.

It is human nature to speculate on births, deaths, and marriages.

Part of being in the public eye is the inability to choose what is picked apart, and what is not.

lameasahorse · 16/04/2022 02:02

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FloraPostePosts · 16/04/2022 03:46

[quote lameasahorse]@FloraPostePosts who said anything about wanting to know the ins and outs of her medical conditions?
The Palace lied about Philip when he must have been very obviously dying and in his last few days. The pretence was he is old but in good health.
So it is natural to wonder if Harry and Meghan visiting means they have been told it could be their last chance.
That is what they have said all along about the Queen simply saying it is a back condition affecting her mobility. I think they will be saying this up until the eve of her death.[/quote]
And why would that matter? She is allowed privacy, and as I said before, your knowing in advance that she’s very ill would serve no purpose other than to satisfy people’s prurience, and allow The Sun to put up a helicopter to be able to report on who goes into Windsor when, and for the media to speculate endlessly on exactly how close the end is. 24 hour rolling news with Nicholas Witchell saying the same thing every hour, for three days or six weeks. Crowds outside Windsor? Candlelit vigils?

You honestly have no right, or need, to have this information.

Peregrina · 16/04/2022 06:57

The Palace lied about Philip when he must have been very obviously dying and in his last few days. The pretence was he is old but in good health.

I agree, I remember thinking that he wasn't long for this world when he went into hospital, but they were going on about it being minor and him in good spirits. They were of course planning a big bash for his 100th birthday, which was thwarted by him dying.

I suspect that they are now desperately hoping that the Queen does make it to the jubilee weekend, and they don't have to cancel it all at the last minute and have their 8 days of mourning.

But having said all that, it is quite hard to predict when old people are going to die - some are expected to only last a few days but are still soldiering on a few months later; some quietly pass away when people don't realise how near the end they were.

EdithWeston · 16/04/2022 07:15

They were of course planning a big bash for his 100th birthday

?? - there wasn't any word on that - cos covid.

EdithWeston · 16/04/2022 07:25

@BernadetteRostankowskiWolowitz

Thing is, we don't actually need to know if/when she is ill or well. She is alive = she is the Queen. She is dead = we now have a new monarch.

Why exactly do we need to know anything else?

Absolute utter need, I suppose not.

But in practice, yes illnesses of head of state are made public to some extent. If it's a sudden death then no warning is possible, but if as a result of illness (remember the famous statement 'The King's life is moving peacefully to its close….”) it means it doesn't have to be shock when it happens, and those who may be affected by national mourning know it's imminient.

And of course some seem to think that absence of statements = Palace must be lying. And that matters more icw head of state (and possibly heir) than their family members

ithoughtisawapuddycat · 16/04/2022 07:28

We were talking about this at work and it feels like she is on the equivalent of bed rest when you're pregnant. She is not doing duties to get her to the jubilee.

It is well known that she is struggling with mobility and that she refuses to use a wheelchair because of the image of her sister in one.

I'm keeping everything crossed she gets to the jubilee, enjoys that incredible occasion and then let's Charles do all the work and she can be left in peace.

I will be heartbroken when the time comes and she passes.

EdithWeston · 16/04/2022 07:32

Point of detail: she has already maybe it to the Jubilee itself - which was on 6 February

The June celebrations are then to coincide with Official Birthday, which was set for then because the weather is nicer than actual birthday, and is now so set as a diary fixture it's hard to imabpgine it'll ever change (esp as Charles actual birthday is November, which is even worse than April, then William actually is in June so can merge)

Peregrina · 16/04/2022 07:35

It is well known that she is struggling with mobility and that she refuses to use a wheelchair because of the image of her sister in one.

I'm conflicted about this having seen my late DM and now MIL insisting on struggling on without, when using one would make their lives just a little easier. I think she could be doing a lot of people a favour by making statement 'Look it's no shame to use a wheelchair when you need one'.

Princess Margaret was about 70 as I recall, and I admit, did look a bit of a wreck, which was sad to see when she had been such a glamour girl as a young woman.