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Do you think the queen is really poorly?

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Meltinthemiddle · 14/04/2022 21:36

As in dying 😔. I know she is very old and fragile at 95 but I do wonder if she is trying to keep going until the Royal jubilee.

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spectre1356 · 15/04/2022 12:24

How sad posters on here comparing their family members who are younger but worse than the queen who has had the best of the best healthcare. I'm sure if all our grandparents and parents had the same privileges they would be healthier and live longer.

Lampzade · 15/04/2022 12:27

@ButtonSister

*They’ve both caused her a lot of heartache. Just because one behaves appallingly, doesn’t mean the other behaving appallingly is less culpable. It’s not either /or." One of them married a woman and moved to his wife's country; the other sexually abused young women and cost Mummy £12million to put things right. I think one of those is certainly more culpable than the other
Exactly How anyone can even compare the two is staggering.? Andrew continued a friendship with a convicted sexual deviant . Harry married an American actress, fell out with his family because of the way they were treated and went to America when his wife became suicidal. Tbh, I think that Harry and Meghan were used to take the heat off Andrew, but when they left to go to America there was no more hiding for that entitled idiot . Harry and Meghan cannot win. If they didn’t go they would be accused of disrespecting the monarchy . Now they have visited her, they are accused of disrespecting the Queen by popping in on the way to the Invictus Games. I even heard one stupid woman on morning tv accuse Harry of deliberately trying to destroy the RF.
Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 15/04/2022 12:28

@PegsandBags

I think people would have so much more respect for HMQ if she made a public announcement (via the Firm) that she is appointing Charles as Regent and is stepping back fully from Royal duties.

The fact that she refuses to do this makes her look narcissistic and full of ego. Meanwhile the role of Queen is diminishing in front of her eyes.

It is neither one thing or another. She is not able to be Queen on a full time basis anymore, but she is not prepared to relinquish much to her son and heir either. Nothing she can do about him, it is the law of succession and was deigned by God.... of course.

I do wish her well, but until she makes a rational decision to pass on the baton in every way short of abdication (which she can), I am afraid I do not have much time for her clinging on to power by the tips of her frail fingertips.

Arrant nonsense. The monarch doesn't do all that much constitutionally nowadays and I expect she's already handed a lot over behind the scenes to Charles. The last time we had a Regent in the UK was George III, more than 200 years ago, when the monarch had a lot more influence on what happened than is the case now.

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CallMeNutribullet · 15/04/2022 13:18

The woman is 95. Tbh she's done really well to stay mobile as long as she has.

ArtVandalay · 15/04/2022 13:21

‘Clinging onto power’? ‘Narcissistic and full of ego’? What nonsense.

She’ll be queen until she dies. It makes no difference whatsoever if family members do the smiling/waving/hosting on her behalf.

x2boys · 15/04/2022 13:25

@CallMeNutribullet

The woman is 95. Tbh she's done really well to stay mobile as long as she has.
She's, had the best care possible ,my mum is 80, next month so 16 years younger than the Queen but much frailer,and less mobile than the Queen,.
Hospedia · 15/04/2022 13:28

Harrybalways reminds me a bit of DH who also grew up in a dysfunctional family and was the after-thought child living in the shadow of golden sibling. He spent years rebelling against what they wanted, years trying to confirm to what they wanted, and then he met me and slowly realised that there was a third option where he didn't need to dance to their tune if he didn't want to. We still see some of his family but there are others we haven't spoken to in nearly ten years and it's been blissful, DH is much happier and his mental health is much better too.

Chilledchablis1 · 15/04/2022 13:42

@ Hospedia

I too lived in the shadow of a golden sibling so can sympathise however I am sure that - like me- your DH didn’t expect family members to fund his new life ?

LittleOldLadies · 15/04/2022 14:15

@mpsw

It's suggestive of the early stags of Operation London Bridge getting underway and the private doctor briefing family, Government and selected media outlets. Wouldn't surprise me if there is big news over the Easter Bank Holiday

That's not how London Bridge would work - lots of people know about its workings (military, newsrooms etc because they are incioved in aspects of the planning and the regular reviews) and it begins only on death, and and announcement is made promptly, there is very little time for family only, as all the formal phone calls politician here and in to dependent territories need to be done, and newsrooms alerted with the embargo time - its an hour or so?

That's the time when you might notice pre-changes - as broadcasters will start to chose more subdued playlists - no one wants the 'we break into the programme ...' announcement to be in the middle of Mr Blobby

But they really won't be keeping her on ice.

If she was seriously ill in a life threatening way, then I think the Palace would confirm illness. As they haven't, there may be a growing list of issues, which might be normal ageing or medical condition, but which are not any immediate threat

They just played Mr Blobby on Radio 1. Held my breath just in case an announcement was imminent.
mpsw · 15/04/2022 14:25

They just played Mr Blobby on Radio 1. Held my breath just in case an announcement was imminent

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Timeforausernamechange22 · 15/04/2022 14:26

I personally think that if it wasn’t for it being her jubilee this year, than the Queen would have passed away 6months ago. She’s 95, and has lost her husband. It’s very common for the surviving partner to pas not long after. But I think she is holding, and will hold on, until after June.
She is elder and she is frail. As much as I’d like to see her retire and pass the crown to Charles she won’t - and not because she’s and egotistical narcissistic (WTF?) - because of her sense of duty. When she took the role at 25 she knew it would be until her death. She agreed to that and won’t backtrack

Timeforausernamechange22 · 15/04/2022 14:28

Apologies for all bad spelling and grammar. Covid has turned my brain to mush this week Confused

TypicaIMe · 15/04/2022 14:35

@PegsandBags

I think people would have so much more respect for HMQ if she made a public announcement (via the Firm) that she is appointing Charles as Regent and is stepping back fully from Royal duties.

The fact that she refuses to do this makes her look narcissistic and full of ego. Meanwhile the role of Queen is diminishing in front of her eyes.

It is neither one thing or another. She is not able to be Queen on a full time basis anymore, but she is not prepared to relinquish much to her son and heir either. Nothing she can do about him, it is the law of succession and was deigned by God.... of course.

I do wish her well, but until she makes a rational decision to pass on the baton in every way short of abdication (which she can), I am afraid I do not have much time for her clinging on to power by the tips of her frail fingertips.

You're queen from the moment you're anointed until the moment you die.

And how can she be clinging on to power when she has no power whatsoever?

Boxowine · 15/04/2022 14:39

This thread is so tacky and honestly, you should be grateful. She has been a much better head of state than many who are elected.

EdithWeston · 15/04/2022 14:40

Perhaps if Charles does become King and shows the same likelihood of longevity as his parents, he will have the gumption to say that he won't go on beyond 85 or 90. He could still be called King. (In the way that US ex Presidents are still Mr President.)

No he couldn't be. You don't have two kings.

If the Queen were to abdicate, she would become HRH the Duchess of Edinburgh

If the King did, he would become HRH Duke of SomwhereOrOther (picking whichever of the dukedoms merged with the crown that he fancied, or even creating a new one for the purpose)

It's a reason why retirement is by Regency, not by abdication. So yes he could retire. Just as the Queen can, and remain Queen by installing Charkes as Prince Regent.

We've been the new Elizabethsns without doublet and hide, but perhaps if there were a new Regency, we could have heaving bosoms in A-line muslin dresses, and men in wet shirts?

YayitisfinallySpring · 15/04/2022 14:47

She's 96 in a few days. She's become very thin and stooped and when seen is wearing clothes designed to disguise her weight loss. She has a thick layer of makeup too. It must be terrible to get to her stage in life and have to put on a public performance. Rehearsals for her funeral are being carried out. She won't be with us much longer.

daisychain01 · 15/04/2022 15:13

It must be terrible to get to her stage in life and have to put on a public performance

No it isn't terrible at all, nobody is forcing her to do anything.

She is her own, very strong and dignified, woman and she gets to choose which events she has capacity to attend. It's probably keeping her going, and if she stopped and sat in her slippers and dressing gown watching Corrie like so many on here think she should, it will be curtains.

She's pacing herself and very much in control of this stage in her reign.

mpsw · 15/04/2022 15:15

Rehearsals for her funeral are being carried out

So no change to the last 30 years or so. Checking the plans, which can include rehearsal of parts, is an utterly routine activity.

Peregrina · 15/04/2022 15:42

No he couldn't be. You don't have two kings.

You could. They make their own rules up.

ChildDLA · 15/04/2022 15:46

Agree with @Peregrina.
All the Queen needs to do is issue Letters Patent, as she has in other times when changing the rules.

thewhatsit · 15/04/2022 15:56

I have a family member who I would say, at a similar age to the Queen, is in the last stages of his life.. However, that’s been going on for 9 months so god knows how long this stage can last (it would be much less cruel if he were just to die rather than go through this stage now where he just sleeps the majority of the day, is too tired and confused to know or care what is going on)…
My take on it is that it wouldn’t be surprising if the Queen were to die in her sleep tonight… or in two years time … I doubt anyone can confidently know.

EdithWeston · 15/04/2022 16:00

Why would she do all that, when a Regency will do all that is needed?

Monarchies are not subject to terms of office, then what happens in a presidency isn't relevant. Of course you can have several ex-presidents kicking around, and each country decides how they are styled. Monarchies only ever have one monarch at a time, and that is reflected in the styles and titles.

It's not within the gift of the monarch via letters patent. Parliamentary consent would also be needed via the Accession Council (if not both Houses in full) and I think that would be an unnecessary tying up to time and effort when there is another route - Regency - readily available

BoodleBug51 · 15/04/2022 16:13

I used to work in elderly care, and HM is just following the very well trodden path of aging. Don't forget that Covid means we've seen very little of her for the last 2 years and it's no doubt been a steady decline. And losing PP will have accelerated the process. Once mobility goes, it won't return and she is probably now struggling to stay on her feet for any period of time which makes attending public events very difficult. Her muscle mass at 96 will be almost non existent, hence her much smaller physique.

Doesn't mean she's at deaths door though, she could be in slow decline for the next 2 or 3 years especially with the best Doctors and medical care at her fingertips.

AnastasiaRomanov · 15/04/2022 16:27

The Queen has been told not to ride anymore or drink alcohol. I imagine she misses riding a lot, as well as walking with her dogs and having a tipple. Her husband is gone. It must be quite depressing for her. Especially when her son and grandson bring nothing but embarrassment and heartache.

ArtVandalay · 15/04/2022 16:31

So much nonsense and conjecture.

I imagine when she does die, we'll be subjected to all this nonsense for weeks on end. No doubt Harry and Megan will be blamed too.

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