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Do you think the queen is really poorly?

629 replies

Meltinthemiddle · 14/04/2022 21:36

As in dying 😔. I know she is very old and fragile at 95 but I do wonder if she is trying to keep going until the Royal jubilee.

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AnastasiaRomanov · 15/04/2022 08:34

I don’t think Charles wasn’t allowed to marry her. He didn’t act quickly enough before she found someone else.

Peregrina · 15/04/2022 08:36

I don't know of course, but I don't think they encourage Camilla and hence Charles dithered. Oh and didn't she have a 'history' i.e. wasn't a naive young virgin?

carefullycourageous · 15/04/2022 08:40

Oh yes I agree about blaming Harry when Andrew has brought genuine disgrace to the family!

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JangolinaPitt · 15/04/2022 08:43

no one wants the 'we break into the programme ...' announcement to be in the middle of Mr Blobby
Grin

AnastasiaRomanov · 15/04/2022 08:51

@carefullycourageous

Oh yes I agree about blaming Harry when Andrew has brought genuine disgrace to the family!
They’ve both caused her a lot of heartache. Just because one behaves appallingly, doesn’t mean the other behaving appallingly is less culpable. It’s not either /or.
carefullycourageous · 15/04/2022 08:53

@AnastasiaRomanov yes, but only one was in court Hmm

zafferana · 15/04/2022 08:57

@AnastasiaRomanov

I don’t think Charles wasn’t allowed to marry her. He didn’t act quickly enough before she found someone else.
I'm not sure if it was ever put to him in those terms, but he was encouraged to join the Royal Navy and while he was absent for a year Camilla got engaged to Andrew PB. It was then suggested to Charles that he should marry a virgin, which is how he ended up married to 19-year-old Diana, who he barely knew and with whom he had nothing in common.
SueSaid · 15/04/2022 09:01

'It was then suggested to Charles that he should marry a virgin, which is how he ended up married to 19-year-old Diana, who he barely knew and with whom he had nothing in common.'

Yes and surely it's her family's fault for not protecting her rather than Charle's for blindly going along with mummy's preferences.

Diana's brother and sister should have stopped it in it's tracks knowing she was far too vulnerable to take on what was coming. That awful speech he made at her funeral with no self awareness at all of their grabby part in it.

SueSaid · 15/04/2022 09:02

Sisters*

DoctorSnortles · 15/04/2022 09:19

Andrew was never actually in court. Just to remind you.

Whether he should have been is another matter, of course.

Housewife2010 · 15/04/2022 09:47

@Supersimkin2

Bingo. Monarchs do plan the timing and announcement of their death to make a point - the Queen’s father George VI took a fatal morphine overdose to an alarm set at the hour the morning Times could run the news, deliberately too late for the evening papers.
Actually that was George V, the Queen's Grandfather.
sqirrelfriends · 15/04/2022 09:48

I'm not a royalist, but she's a 95 year old woman with a family who I'm sure love her very much. Discussing her death is in very bad taste.

ButtonSister · 15/04/2022 09:49

*They’ve both caused her a lot of heartache. Just because one behaves appallingly, doesn’t mean the other behaving appallingly is less culpable. It’s not either /or."
One of them married a woman and moved to his wife's country; the other sexually abused young women and cost Mummy £12million to put things right. I think one of those is certainly more culpable than the other

Housewife2010 · 15/04/2022 09:57

[quote lameasahorse]@AnastasiaRomanov I said she used her networking to be the face of weightwatchers, and got heavily criticised for it. People thought it was undignified. But the only way she would get paid more than minimum wage is because she is cashing in on her connection with the Royal Family. She doesn't have anything else to offer.[/quote]
Sarah had a career in publishing before and in her early days of marrying into the Royal Family. She wouldn't have been on the minimum wage then.

x2boys · 15/04/2022 10:56

@DoctorSnortles

Poor Queen. Imagine feeling knackered and poorly and then bloody Harry turns up with that wife of his. Not going to perk her up, is it?
How exactly do you know? He's her Grandson I'm sure she loves him very much as well as her Odious son why wouldn't she want to see him ?
HRTQueen · 15/04/2022 11:06

Why wouldn’t she want to see Harry he is her grandson. Like many families they argue, some fall out, some move abroad, some break ties, some dislike each other, some bring shame to the family and they in turn creates issues just this family live under a microscope

If anything has caused her extra stress recently it her son’s behaviour but she is still his mother and loves him

She is 96 this week it’s time she didn’t feel she needs to put duty first

lljkk · 15/04/2022 11:16

@DoctorSnortles

Andrew was never actually in court. Just to remind you.

Whether he should have been is another matter, of course.

MNHQ actively encouraged & endorsed "Guilty Until Proven Innocent" thinking with their "We Believe You Campaign". They won't back down now.
ronjobbins · 15/04/2022 11:25

@Peregrina

All that Waity Katy nonsense . No woman who knew the ‘system’ would willingly put herself in that situation, which is why Cressida left Harry.

And Charles had the same sort of nonsense, not allowed to marry Camilla who got tired of waiting and married someone else, so forced into an unsuitable marriage with a naive young girl.

Err Charles was ‘allowed’ to marry Camilla, but actually Camilla wanted to marry APB, which is what she did.
x2boys · 15/04/2022 11:37

@Sitdownplease

Harry can’t win can he. Imagine if he didn’t visit the Queen with him going to the Games.

She’s 96, had Covid.

Exactly, all the uproar about Meghan not attending PrincePhillips funeral ,despite being seven months pregnant ,it being a transatlantic flight and being in the middle of pandemic, yet had she attended, she would have been slated for " Doing it for attention " they can't win whatever they do.
Notonthestairs · 15/04/2022 11:42

So Harry got it wrong by a) visiting the Queen and b) not visiting for long enough.

And the same posters who are angry with Megan for disrespecting the Queen, are busily speculating on the Queens ill health and death.

Right you are.

HRTQueen · 15/04/2022 12:06

Cressida is still being mentioned Confused

I think Harry got over their relationship long before some posters did

Peregrina · 15/04/2022 12:13

She is 96 this week it’s time she didn’t feel she needs to put duty first

I think she is being a bit stupid about this. It's getting on for a century since her Uncle abdicated, to leave an unprepared brother with a still relatively young family to take over. Yes, she made a promise to server whether her life be long or short, and it's turned out to be long, but at the same time, she cannot now discharge her duties as fully as she would want to. An abdication in those circumstances would have been seen as honourable, not tainted with disgrace. Perhaps if Charles does become King and shows the same likelihood of longevity as his parents, he will have the gumption to say that he won't go on beyond 85 or 90. He could still be called King. (In the way that US ex Presidents are still Mr President.)

TypicaIMe · 15/04/2022 12:14

@VeganGod

Doesn't mean that feverishly speculating over the impending (or not) death of a 95 year old woman isn't crass and distasteful also.

No, but it does mean many don’t care, because she’s lost any respect they had for her when she supported him and paid his way out of it. She’s as bad as the rest of them, age doesn’t excuse her actions.

I've never been the sort of person who thinks people deserve to die (or have their death hastened or celebrated) due to crimes they or those close to them have committed though. It's the reason why I've always been against the death penalty.
TypicaIMe · 15/04/2022 12:20

@Notonthestairs

So Harry got it wrong by a) visiting the Queen and b) not visiting for long enough.

And the same posters who are angry with Megan for disrespecting the Queen, are busily speculating on the Queens ill health and death.

Right you are.

I know! It's bonkers isn't it.

Some of the people who are awful about Meghan because her perceived (by them) lack of decency and respect are among the nastiest, most disrespectful people on MN (and generally). They're happy to engage in scurrilous rumours and gossip while pillorying a woman who's done fuck all to warrant it. I wonder if they bully people in real life, too?

PegsandBags · 15/04/2022 12:22

I think people would have so much more respect for HMQ if she made a public announcement (via the Firm) that she is appointing Charles as Regent and is stepping back fully from Royal duties.

The fact that she refuses to do this makes her look narcissistic and full of ego. Meanwhile the role of Queen is diminishing in front of her eyes.

It is neither one thing or another. She is not able to be Queen on a full time basis anymore, but she is not prepared to relinquish much to her son and heir either. Nothing she can do about him, it is the law of succession and was deigned by God.... of course.

I do wish her well, but until she makes a rational decision to pass on the baton in every way short of abdication (which she can), I am afraid I do not have much time for her clinging on to power by the tips of her frail fingertips.