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Boris has been fined - Part 2

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cakeorwine · 13/04/2022 21:00

Because this is going to go on and on.....
With more fines

Part 1 here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4528104-boris-has-been-fined-tory-voters-should-he-go

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cakeorwine · 16/04/2022 19:12

Interesting viewpoint

www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/16/senior-conservatives-partygate-fines-boris-johnson-rishi-sunak

Other Tory MPs, including serving ministers, said they believed some sections of their voters were being alienated. A number of them said that the party was trying so hard to hold on to newer, pro-Brexit voters that many traditional supporters were being put off, by Partygate and by the government’s plan to send asylum seekers to Rwanda.

“If you go to our newer working-class, blue-collar voters, I’m not sure they’re that bothered,” said one northern Tory MP. “But if you go to our traditional middle-class Tory voter, they’re angry. That’s how I would define it. I think he should’ve resigned.”

A minister said: “We’re going down a route that isolates the people in the middle. I don’t know whether there’s enough votes on the right and the core of the party to get us through. I just think it’s offensive and it’s doing real brand damage. I’m just appalled.”

Just as Labour swung too Left and alienated people, the Tories are in danger of swinging too right and forgetting the people in the middle.

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itsgettingweird · 16/04/2022 19:20

Just as Labour swung too Left and alienated people, the Tories are in danger of swinging too right and forgetting the people in the middle.

Agree with this. The most popular labour leader was fairly centric.

Boris seemed fairly centric as Mayor of London.

He's gone so far right and a Labour is further left. But the division seems to be getting bigger as both parties try harder to be the Tortola opposite of the other.

Labour could not be Tory without needed to be so woke.

The Tories have totally misread the mood of the nation and thought they wanted far right extremism with voting for Brexit.

Peregrina · 16/04/2022 19:46

You sound impressed with war criminal Putin for banning Johnson and others who of course had no plans on popping to Russia on a jaunt anytime soon anyway.

Putin was no less a war criminal when Truss was busy taking selfies in Moscow earlier this year. I don't recall any posts from you then asking just exactly what she thought she was playing at.

But then, money from Putin's cronies was a nice to have.

Piggywaspushed · 16/04/2022 20:38

There are many voters for whom Labour is definitely not too far left!!

itsgettingweird · 16/04/2022 20:40

@Piggywaspushed

There are many voters for whom Labour is definitely not too far left!!
Agree.

And sadly many for whom Tory aren't too right.

We're certainly a very devised country politically currently and this shower of shite running it aren't helping matters!

Fulmine · 16/04/2022 21:26

The problem with Putin is that Johnson is so lightweight and such a liar that there is nothing he can say or do that which will carry any weight with him in diplomatic terms. That is why the narrative that we can't afford a leadership change at the moment is so deluded.

cakeorwine · 17/04/2022 08:35

Johnson and the other Tory MPs who claim to be Christian are going to be unhappy with the Arch Bishop of Canterbury this morning - assuming they are listening to his sermon or care about what he says.

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Roussette · 17/04/2022 08:36

Jacob Rees Mogg should listen. He's done his usual Alleluia tweet this morning

DuncinToffee · 17/04/2022 11:09

And now a Judge has ruled that Andrew Bridgen lied under oath.

Fulmine · 17/04/2022 11:28

Looks like Bridgen qualifies eminently to serve in Johnson's cabinet. From the report in The Sunday Times:

"A Conservative MP lied under oath, behaved in an abusive, arrogant and aggressive way, and was so dishonest that his claims about a multimillion-pound family dispute could not be taken at face value, a high court judge has ruled. ...

Last month Judge Brian Rawlings found that Bridgen, 57, had pressured a police inspector to investigate his brother over false allegations of fraud, prompting a costly inquiry lasting more than a year. He denied it after realising it would look “inappropriate”.

Bridgen also made false statements about why he had resigned from the business, AB Produce, almost a decade ago. In court he argued he had been forced out by Paul, 55, his brother, a claim the judge described as a lie. In fact, the judge ruled, he had quit because he thought it might reduce the amount he owed his first wife, Jackie, 57, in divorce proceedings. ...

During the case Peter Ellis, a director of AB Produce, claimed that in January 2017 Bridgen sent texts that were so aggressive they brought him to the brink of a “nervous breakdown”. Bridgen later called a board meeting where he allegedly called the directors, whom he deemed to be on his brother’s side, a “team of wankers” and “liars and thieves” and asked to be reinstated on up to £60,000 a year for “half a day to one day’s project work” a month."

Happily, it looks like he is now going to have to shell out millions of pounds in costs and is being referred to the parliamentary standards watchdog.

DuncinToffee · 17/04/2022 12:00

And according to the Sunday Times it was Johnson who was actually the Partygate planner.

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Peregrina · 17/04/2022 12:07

Was Bridgen lying under oath in a court of law? Isn't that perverting the course of justice and attracts a prison sentence?

Roussette · 17/04/2022 12:25

Duncin 😮😮

What the hell is 'the usual Friday press office wash up drinks' ???

Sounds like there's more than the 18 parties, there's drinks every Friday!
And of course BJ instigated it, I never thought otherwise
Charlatans the lot of them

cakeorwine · 17/04/2022 12:31

@Roussette

Duncin 😮😮

What the hell is 'the usual Friday press office wash up drinks' ???

Sounds like there's more than the 18 parties, there's drinks every Friday!
And of course BJ instigated it, I never thought otherwise
Charlatans the lot of them

The Press Office had Drinks Friday

That's why they needed a fridge.

This will all come out in Sue Gray's report

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Roussette · 17/04/2022 12:38

www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-61134002

No 10 parties: PM's lockdown fine constitutional crisis, says historian

Worth a read. It's damning

And no it's not about 9 minutes with cake ( irrelevant as more fines to come)

It's about shredding the ministerial code, about the law, about decency

Lord Hennessy said Mr Johnson's decision not to resign showed "complete and utter disdain for the decency of our constitutional conventions".

DowningStreetParty · 17/04/2022 12:39

This is what’s objectionable. The normalised everyday culture of making the rules but not adhering to rules.
It’s not about whether they had cakes after work one day. It’s the corrupt atmosphere that’s normalised under Boris Johnson.

We need calm, rational, reasonable, non-entitled adults in charge at a time of crisis. Not these lying, arrogant, self serving liabilities. Sad

Blossomtoes · 17/04/2022 12:40

This will all come out in Sue Gray's report

If we ever get to see it.

ElenaSt · 17/04/2022 14:03

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/04/2022 15:22

This will all come out in Sue Gray's report

If Sue Gray wants to keep her job or be promoted, the report will say only what suits the government

Reportedly she'd been told that she can't publish until all the fines have been handed out anyway, but it's also said she won't be told who's been fined or not. If the second bit's true then it's tempting to ask why the further delay, but I doubt many are gullible enough not to realise the answer to that

DowningStreetParty · 17/04/2022 22:40

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-61134002
No 10 parties: PM's lockdown fine constitutional crisis, says historian

‘One No 10 aide, who witnessed many of the events under investigation, told the BBC the birthday party was the least serious gathering, in terms of potential rule-breaking, that the PM attended.’

‘ Speaking to Broadcasting House on BBC Radio 4, cross-bench peer Lord Hennessy said: "I think we're in the most severe constitutional crisis involving a prime minister that I can remember."
He added when Mr Johnson and Chancellor Rishi Sunak were fined on Tuesday, he wrote in his diary that "Tuesday 12 April 2022 will be forever remembered as a dark bleak day for public and political life" and the prime minister had become "the great debaser in modern times of decency in public and political life, and of our constitutional conventions".
"The prime minister sealed his place in British history as the first lawbreaker to have occupied the premiership," Lord Hennessy wrote.
He said Mr Johnson had turned his position into "an adventure playground for his narcissistic vanity".
Lord Hennessy accused the prime minister of having "broken the law, misled Parliament and has in effect shredded the ministerial code" when he "should be the guardian of the code".’

Blossomtoes · 18/04/2022 09:25

If Sue Gray wants to keep her job or be promoted, the report will say only what suits the government

She’s 65 and on the verge of retirement so is in the perfect position to be brutally honest. Whoever decided she was the right person for the job clearly wants the truth to come out.

DowningStreetParty · 18/04/2022 09:30

That’s very heartening I didnt know that.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/04/2022 09:33

She’s 65 and on the verge of retirement ...

Oh hell I hadn't realised that; in that case I'll revise my view, thugh I'm still not confident there'll be much the government would rather not see

Notonthestairs · 18/04/2022 09:35

It does all rather depend on what version of the report we are able to see. Did they commit to publishing the full version?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 18/04/2022 09:40

I honestly don't know, Notonthestairs, but it hardly matters - no matter what they've "committed to", if it suits them to change the goalposts then changed they will be

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