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Boris has been fined - Part 2

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cakeorwine · 13/04/2022 21:00

Because this is going to go on and on.....
With more fines

Part 1 here

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4528104-boris-has-been-fined-tory-voters-should-he-go

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Notonthestairs · 15/04/2022 12:32

"Notice how no men have resigned even though they were the ones in charge"

I suspect even if they wanted to resign they can't because it would highlight Johnson's behaviour and subsequent failures. That's where we are right now.

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cakeorwine · 15/04/2022 12:33

On Neil Ferguson

Downing Street said Boris Johnson agreed with Prof Ferguson's decision to resign, but denied that the government had pushed for him to step down.

The prime minister's official spokesman said No 10 was informed "just before" the story broke on Tuesday.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-52562383

I wonder if Johnson still agrees that people in prominent positions who broke lockdown rules should resign?

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HarrietPierce7 · 15/04/2022 12:34

"Do we know if Brokenshire still holds the view that public figures who broke the law, should resign?"

Brokenshire died of cancer in October 2021.

jgw1 · 15/04/2022 12:38

@HarrietPierce7

"Do we know if Brokenshire still holds the view that public figures who broke the law, should resign?"

Brokenshire died of cancer in October 2021.

By bad, apologies.
Roussette · 15/04/2022 12:38

It's just the hypocrisy that gets me.
There was pious little Matty Hancock straining every sinew and urging us to abide by the rules
Whilst his sinews were being strained elsewhere whilst feeling up his lover in the office

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cakeorwine · 15/04/2022 12:40

@HarrietPierce7

"Do we know if Brokenshire still holds the view that public figures who broke the law, should resign?"

Brokenshire died of cancer in October 2021.

So no doubt aware of the reasons why Covid guidance was so strict and why it was necessary to have rules in place that should have been followed.

The people in Downing Street, like all workplaces, have a duty of care to each other. I am sure that there would have been people in Downing Street who were at risk but who knew they had to come into work.

They would have expected guidance to have been followed and unnecessary gatherings not to have taken place.

We had people at our workplace who were very concerned about Covid but who had to come in. We were supposed to follow strict protocols - and it seems that Downing Street staff couldn't be bothered to do that.

Why not?

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Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 12:41

It’s tragic Brokenshire’s gone, he was as close to a decent Tory this lot had.

Peregrina · 15/04/2022 12:43

Don't forget, not all Downing Street staff broke the rules. Some are on record asking whether the Bring your own booze invitation was for real. Hence non attendance at the party which wasn't and no fine. But if it really was work then they should have been there.

ancientgran · 15/04/2022 12:43

@StormzyinaTCup

It would make any actual rule breaks ie socialising out of work more relevant if they weren't wasting time with this crap, but I think by this stage most people think the whole thing is an overegged fiasco.

I agree.

If he had been visiting his mum in a home when no one else could, or held a birthday party for Wilf when no one else could then I could understand the outrage over this but he didn't. He was in his place of work with work colleagues dealing with a unique and very stressful situation and a few colleagues popped in to wish him a 'happy birthday' and gift him a cake. If it was me in that situation I'd say 'thanks very much, pass me a paper plate and make mine a large slice'.

For me, if it turns out he was at an actual party then that's a different matter but this I can't get over excited about.

So why was his wife there? Why was the interior designer there? This wasn't just a few work colleagues, he broke the law, they all broke the law.
jgw1 · 15/04/2022 12:49

So why was his wife there? Why was the interior designer there? This wasn't just a few work colleagues, he broke the law, they all broke the law.

My interior decorator often comes to work me, doesn't yours?

Alexandra2001 · 15/04/2022 12:53

If he had been visiting his mum in a home when no one else could, or held a birthday party for Wilf when no one else could then I could understand the outrage over this but he didn't. He was in his place of work with work colleagues dealing with a unique and very stressful situation and a few colleagues popped in to wish him a 'happy birthday' and gift him a cake. If it was me in that situation I'd say 'thanks very much, pass me a paper plate and make mine a large slice'

If you truly believe that, then i assume you are very angry that they introduced these completely unnecessary rules & that none of us should have been sticking too?

Can't have your cake and eat it, these rules were either for the good of the country/nhs/public health OR they weren't and they damaged the economy & peoples MH needlessly.

So BJ should resign not for law breaking but wrecking the country?

Though i want him to stay, he is doing untold damage to the Tory party, i'd be worried they might vote in a Ellwood or Hunt and we'll be stuck with them for another 5 years of austerity.

itsgettingweird · 15/04/2022 12:53

For instance I do not know which party my local councillor represents, but they do a good job, so I would like to see them re-elected.

My local counsellor is Tory and does a marvellous job. In fact I thought he was a Labour counsellor for many years. I would vote for him in a heartbeat.

He was my sociology lecturer at uni and has a real social conscience.

The big issue for me is that I also have a social conscience and can't vote for someone that means my shite Tory MP and Boris get back in power.

ancientgran · 15/04/2022 12:53

@JaniieJones

'Local elections'

Yes obviously, the electorate will decide. However don't be surprised if more people are interested in deterring gangs from perilous people trafficking rather than who said happy birthday and when.

I'm quite capable of being interested in more than one thing at a time. Maybe you can only cope with one but I bet most people on here can be interested in deterring people trafficking and illegal lockdown gatherings.
Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 12:55

Though i want him to stay, he is doing untold damage to the Tory party, i'd be worried they might vote in a Ellwood or Hunt and we'll be stuck with them for another 5 years of austerity.

I’m with you all the way there.

ancientgran · 15/04/2022 13:01

@itsgettingweird

I think there is a big risk many won't see the issue with this.

But I think those are the people who were happily furloughed at home in glorious weather and having BBQs etc.

It isn't IME those like me who worked the whole way through, couldn't mix inside work (except with staff in the class and only in the classroom) and then came home each day to be only allowed at home (alone) until I went to work the following day.

Those of us often also struggled to get decent food for those first few weeks when those at home were stocking up during the day.

My life for months literally consisted of working, caring for disabled ds and shopping for my parents who were both shielding on chemo.

I'd have loved 9 minutes in the staff room with colleagues eating cake - but we weren't allowed because it was illegal

I was at home, although I'm nearly 70 I still have a part time job but I can do it from home. In the first lockdown I was at home with DH, I'm his carer. For many many weeks the only person I saw to speak to face to face was the Sainsbury's delivery man. He was very kind and would have a little chat while I unpacked the delivery boxes. On some exciting weeks I also so the postman. I didn't see one of my children for a year, they are a nurse, the hospital was full of covid and they wouldn't risk bringing it home.

I would have thought it was amazing to have a little birthday gatherine, 9 whole minutes (not that I believe it was 9 minutes) would have been a big change for me.

In the January 2021 lockdown my GS moved in with us, seemed much easier with another person in the house, someone to help out a bit.

I won't forgive or forget what he did.

ancientgran · 15/04/2022 13:05

@cakeorwine

With regard to local elections - I think the thing that will be on most people's minds will be the cost of living crisis.

It won't be the FPNs , it won't be the sending people to Rwanda, it will be the increases in energy prices, food prices, fuel prices and inflation.

People will be feeling it in their wage packets. The NI increase has kicked in.

I don't even pay NI, due to age, and I am concerned how alot of young families are going to cope with the cost of living crisis.

I'm still concerned about people traffickers and with the thought of people being sent to Rwanda.

I still have room in my mind to be annoyed with Johnson and his parties/gatherings or shall we just say illegal activities?

SueSaid · 15/04/2022 13:06

'I'm quite capable of being interested in more than one thing at a time. Maybe you can only cope with one but I bet most people on here can be interested in deterring people trafficking and illegal lockdown gatherings.'

There's no need for you to be rude gran, I am capable of course of being interested in more than one thing at a time.

My point was regarding voting, anyone upset about fpns (not those on here of course) may think illegal trafficking is more important and therefore vote accordingly. We don't know do we. Soon find out!

ancientgran · 15/04/2022 13:08

My spouse doesn’t live at school. Carrie Johnson doesn't live in the offices at 10 Downing St. People who lived in self contained accommodation in the same building couldn't mix anymore than people in detached houses could.

Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 13:09

She wasn’t rude. 🤷‍♀️

itsgettingweird · 15/04/2022 13:11

Ancient** people seem to have conveniently forgotten how hard it was.

My dad turned a significant age in LD1. We did a zoom birthday party in which we all brought identical cakes (it's was a surprise for dad) had the candles lit and blew the candles out on our cakes when he did Grin

He was having treatment for cancer. We didn't know the outcome of this and my mum was also having treatment.

I would get challenged and so would my LP sister for going to supermarkets with our children. Hers was 7 and mines disabled. We were constantly told we should be shopping alone and leaving them home. Even after both of us explaining we had no one to leave them with and were also shopping for shielding parents we'd still get told "well you should leave them if you can" (as if they needed the last word ConfusedHmm)

To think we stayed at home when we DS was having birthday illegal gatherings with cake and photos hurts.

But I also know it won't hurt as much as it will for those who lost loved ones without the chance to say goodby in life and then in death.

ancientgran · 15/04/2022 13:14

@jgw1

So why was his wife there? Why was the interior designer there? This wasn't just a few work colleagues, he broke the law, they all broke the law.

My interior decorator often comes to work me, doesn't yours?

When I get one I'll let you know.
Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 13:14

That Zoom birthday party is beautiful @itsgettingweird. What a lovely way to make the best out of a shit situation.

ancientgran · 15/04/2022 13:16

@JaniieJones

'I'm quite capable of being interested in more than one thing at a time. Maybe you can only cope with one but I bet most people on here can be interested in deterring people trafficking and illegal lockdown gatherings.'

There's no need for you to be rude gran, I am capable of course of being interested in more than one thing at a time.

My point was regarding voting, anyone upset about fpns (not those on here of course) may think illegal trafficking is more important and therefore vote accordingly. We don't know do we. Soon find out!

How was I rude? You seemed to think it was a problem to be interested in more than one thing. I accepted you at your word but just let you know that most of us can cope with that.
ancientgran · 15/04/2022 13:17

@Blossomtoes

She wasn’t rude. 🤷‍♀️
Thank you.
ancientgran · 15/04/2022 13:18

@itsgettingweird

Ancient** people seem to have conveniently forgotten how hard it was.

My dad turned a significant age in LD1. We did a zoom birthday party in which we all brought identical cakes (it's was a surprise for dad) had the candles lit and blew the candles out on our cakes when he did Grin

He was having treatment for cancer. We didn't know the outcome of this and my mum was also having treatment.

I would get challenged and so would my LP sister for going to supermarkets with our children. Hers was 7 and mines disabled. We were constantly told we should be shopping alone and leaving them home. Even after both of us explaining we had no one to leave them with and were also shopping for shielding parents we'd still get told "well you should leave them if you can" (as if they needed the last word ConfusedHmm)

To think we stayed at home when we DS was having birthday illegal gatherings with cake and photos hurts.

But I also know it won't hurt as much as it will for those who lost loved ones without the chance to say goodby in life and then in death.

You are right and I know we are lucky we didn't lose anyone.

Your party sounds great, brilliant idea to do that.