Page 12 | Boris has been fined - Part 2

cakeorwine · 2022-04-13T20:00:49+00:00

Because this is going to go on and on..... With more fines Part 1 here [[https://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4528104-boris-has-been-fined-tory-voters-should-he-go]]

duvetdrama · 15/04/2022 11:29

@Benjispruce4

Our staff room at school was put of bounds , we had to eat in our classrooms at least 2m apart and bring own drinks bottles and mugs etc. People forget just how stringent these rules were and want to move on and sweep everything under the now bulging carpet. He is in the top position and must be squeaky clean. He has to go as we can’t trust him. Simple as that. He lies, he cheats, he’s broken the law. Just embarrassing to cling on. He should do himself and everyone else a favour and resign.

Yes, agree with this wholeheartedly. Standards are depressingly low...

CakeAmbushAlert · 15/04/2022 11:30

@JaniieJones I do disagree with the Met's decisions

And the interim Gray report findings? Do you disagree with those too?

Notonthestairs · 15/04/2022 11:46

"I had a birthday “party” with the two children I had face to face teaching with and another member of staff. We had cake (but no wine). Is that an illegal gathering? "

Why on earth wasn't your spouse there? And your interior decorator? Your official photographer? Your event staff? And 30 other people from a variety of departments?
Try again.

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cakeorwine · 15/04/2022 11:50

If the official photographer was there, paid for by taxpayer's money, then surely we have a right to see the official photographs.

I wonder how socially distanced this was?

Johnson 'almost died' - you would have thought him and his entourage would be well aware of the risks and would be taking all precautions to reduce transmission.

I guess no one had the guts to say this is not a good idea - not because of the 'optics' but because it increased the risk of transmission

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Notonthestairs · 15/04/2022 11:53

I imagine the photos are held by the police as part of their enquiries.

Although I'm sure journalists have considered putting in FOI requests.

DuncinToffee · 15/04/2022 11:56

Johnson clearly never 'almost died'

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cakeorwine · 15/04/2022 12:03

With regard to local elections - I think the thing that will be on most people's minds will be the cost of living crisis.

It won't be the FPNs , it won't be the sending people to Rwanda, it will be the increases in energy prices, food prices, fuel prices and inflation.

People will be feeling it in their wage packets. The NI increase has kicked in.

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lightisnotwhite · 15/04/2022 12:03

@Notonthestairs

"I had a birthday “party” with the two children I had face to face teaching with and another member of staff. We had cake (but no wine). Is that an illegal gathering? "

Why on earth wasn't your spouse there? And your interior decorator? Your official photographer? Your event staff? And 30 other people from a variety of departments?
Try again.

The point was in response to the hyperbolic response to “my child couldn’t have a birthday party”. No, you couldn’t have loads of friends round but then BJ didn’t either. Every photo I saw had appropriate social distancing and people in work suits. My spouse doesn’t live at school.

If colleagues who didn’t work directly together attended then agreed it’s an illegal gathering and the fine is appropriate as the rules dictated. I still don’t agree that it’s a sackable offence.

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cakeorwine · 15/04/2022 12:08

Every photo I saw had appropriate social distancing and people in work suits. My spouse doesn’t live at school

Have you seen the photos of the Downing Street gatherings that were held inside then?

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Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 12:08

Every photo I saw had appropriate social distancing and people in work suits

There will be lots of photos we haven’t seen. Wearing a suit and social distancing doesn’t make that gathering legal.

jgw1 · 15/04/2022 12:10

@JaniieJones

' asked on a previous thread of a poster who seemed to struggle to understand, but perhaps you can help me with this.'

'If I break into your house, but only stay for 9 minutes, I presume it does not count and I have not broken the law. Am I right?'

Oh jgw. Honestly. You asked me loads of times and I replied umpteen times, no struggling to understand the question at all .

Colleagues saying happy birthday at work is not a party, I'm sorry if you're under the illusion you've attended lots of parties if this is your criteria.

Breaking into a house is breaking into a house regarless of how long your burgling lasts. Shall I c&p in case you ask again in 30mins?

@JaniieJones Ok, so colleagues saying Happy Birthday does not make a party. Does it become a party when they start singing?

DuncinToffee · 15/04/2022 12:10

Nice thread about Kyiv coming back to life

A bit of counter programming for you. Kyiv is coming back to life. People are out. The sun is shining. Kids playing. Short thread from my walkabout yesterday 1/
twitter.com/shustry/status/1514922693639999496?t=JLQkD22roTR7OStmwr8upw&s=19

DuncinToffee · 15/04/2022 12:11

[quote DuncinToffee]Nice thread about Kyiv coming back to life

A bit of counter programming for you. Kyiv is coming back to life. People are out. The sun is shining. Kids playing. Short thread from my walkabout yesterday 1/
twitter.com/shustry/status/1514922693639999496?t=JLQkD22roTR7OStmwr8upw&s=19[/quote]
Sorry wrong thread

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cakeorwine · 15/04/2022 12:12

@Blossomtoes

Every photo I saw had appropriate social distancing and people in work suits

There will be lots of photos we haven’t seen. Wearing a suit and social distancing doesn’t make that gathering legal.

Rule of 6? Gatherings of more than 2 people? Even outside?

I remember a picture of a couple who were having a walk with a coffee and the police fined them.

They did rescind it though

news.sky.com/story/covid-police-cancel-fines-for-women-who-met-for-walk-with-coffees-five-miles-from-home-12185382

It comes as Health Secretary Matt Hancock urged the public not to "flex" the lockdown rules during Monday's Downing Street news conference, saying: "Don't say you're exercising when you're actually socialising."

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Notonthestairs · 15/04/2022 12:13

The actual point is that Johnson approved the legislation, voted on it, threatened the public with it, ignored it repeatedly, told Parliament there were no parties, that he was furious about the parties, appointed Simon Case to investigate the non parties, realised Simon Case had been at one of the non parties, appointed Sue Grey and has failed to correct the record. He's in breach of the MinisterialCode (again) and continues to be investigated by the police.

All from the party of Law & Order.

No wonder Hancock thought he could get away with employing his mistress and fast tracking contracts to friends and her family.

I'm pretty sure you can be found guilty of an offence regardless of what you are wearing.

Notonthestairs · 15/04/2022 12:14

But he was very decent about accepting Allegra Stratton's resignation.

jgw1 · 15/04/2022 12:16

[quote CakeAmbushAlert]@JaniieJones so the police have found it to be such and the civil service found it to be such but you don’t agree with their findings?[/quote]
@JaniieJones knows best.

Blossomtoes · 15/04/2022 12:16

@Notonthestairs

But he was very decent about accepting Allegra Stratton's resignation.

That’s true. His magnanimity knows no bounds.

jgw1 · 15/04/2022 12:18

@JaniieJones

'Local elections'

Yes obviously, the electorate will decide. However don't be surprised if more people are interested in deterring gangs from perilous people trafficking rather than who said happy birthday and when.

@JaniieJones Would you like me and many others like to see simple safe routes for refugees to come to the UK, perhaps for instance a scheme of subsidised flights or ferry crossing so that they are not put a risk of trafficking?

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cakeorwine · 15/04/2022 12:19

I feel for Allegra Stratton.

Maybe she should have just toughed it out.

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CakeAmbushAlert · 15/04/2022 12:21

@lightisnotwhite my DC wasn’t allowed into school let alone have a birthday party! The following year in lockdown again no school allowed. No social occasion outside the household members.

My primary school leaver wasn’t allowed a leaving party as bubbled in groups of 6.

Children weren’t allowed parties out of school even if they had been at school (equivalent of workplace) they weren’t allowed a friend around to socialise despite being allowed to be at school with them.

But you know all this as you had a class with only 2 pupils in.

The point is Johnson engaged in rule breaking of the rules he set the whole of the country to follow. He accepted Hancock’s resignation for breaking social distancing (at work with a colleague.) Johnson accepted Allegra Stratton’s resignation for joking about parties not even necessarily being there. But when it comes to him, he thinks the rules and rule breaking suddenly don’t apply!?

jgw1 · 15/04/2022 12:24

@cakeorwine

With regard to local elections - I think the thing that will be on most people's minds will be the cost of living crisis.

It won't be the FPNs , it won't be the sending people to Rwanda, it will be the increases in energy prices, food prices, fuel prices and inflation.

People will be feeling it in their wage packets. The NI increase has kicked in.

It is important too bear in mind too that there are not all that many seats the conservatives hold up for election, and that people may vote on local issues. For instance I do not know which party my local councillor represents, but they do a good job, so I would like to see them re-elected.

jgw1 · 15/04/2022 12:24

@cakeorwine

I feel for Allegra Stratton.

Maybe she should have just toughed it out.

She's a woman. Boris knows what a woman is useful for - a scapegoat. Notice how no men have resigned even though they were the ones in charge.

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cakeorwine · 15/04/2022 12:28

Notice how no men have resigned even though they were the ones in charge

Neil Ferguson was hounded out because of seeing his lover.

The Tory press condemned him at the time - and Tory MPs were damning of his actions.

James Brokenshire, a Home Office minister, said Ferguson had made an “error of judgment” and was right to resign. He stressed that the government’s physical distancing guidelines must be followed by law and were “there to protect us all”.

He said Ferguson’s resignation had been “an appropriate course” because other people had tried so hard to stick to the lockdown, even though it had been hard not to see loved ones.

In a round of broadcast interviews, Brokenshire stressed it was still important to follow the lockdown rules before Thursday’s review of whether they should be extended, and any decision to ease them would be “careful, cautious and thoughtful”.

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jgw1 · 15/04/2022 12:32

@cakeorwine

Notice how no men have resigned even though they were the ones in charge

Neil Ferguson was hounded out because of seeing his lover.

The Tory press condemned him at the time - and Tory MPs were damning of his actions.

James Brokenshire, a Home Office minister, said Ferguson had made an “error of judgment” and was right to resign. He stressed that the government’s physical distancing guidelines must be followed by law and were “there to protect us all”.

He said Ferguson’s resignation had been “an appropriate course” because other people had tried so hard to stick to the lockdown, even though it had been hard not to see loved ones.

In a round of broadcast interviews, Brokenshire stressed it was still important to follow the lockdown rules before Thursday’s review of whether they should be extended, and any decision to ease them would be “careful, cautious and thoughtful”.

Do we know if Brokenshire still holds the view that public figures who broke the law, should resign?