Amber Heard - new accusations

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Amber Heard has now alleged Johnny Depp sexually assaulted her at the start of the defamation trial. Thoughts?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-court-updates-b2056201.html

ESMA divorce can be absolutely vicious.

I witnessed vicious hideous lashing out by each parent.
A few year's later all was well but in the intense heat if the hurt they were vile to each other.

I think...the violence to the cupboards took place Just after his mum died?
Could be wrong.

VP has been absolutely amazing. She's obviously also had a tough time with JD perhaps not like ah did but with his wild ways.
The brain washing comment made me think of perhaps he already thought VP had tried to brain wash them against him.

It was said in this trial that they said he wasn't there much for them.

For VP to come out with that statement was absolutely amazing and for me showed ultimate motherly love because I think she would have done it for the DC sake.

@prh47bridge there are masses of inconsistencies in his sworn testimony on the stand in the U.K. case v his sworn testimony in US case.
His heavy drinking prior to splitting from Paradis
His wide and heavy drug abuse with Paul Bettany
His yes men staff - travelling everywhere procuring drugs on his behalf
His sister’s intervention into his drug taking
Masses of contradictory testimony around the flight in which he was very high and abusive/then ill

It is so contradictory I imagined he might be impeached or face the threat of it.

I also think he’ll apologise for his behaviour in front of the court. I know to Depp diehards it seems hilarious but it is doing him no favours.

@prh47bridge

sorry but jury selection is always designed to assemble a jury favourable to the defendant.

I also think he’ll apologise for his behaviour in front of the court. I know to Depp diehards it seems hilarious but it is doing him no favours

He’s treating the whole court case like he’s on the late late show with James corden. Long rambling stories with ‘funny’ asides, correcting witnesses, making character jokes etc. It’s not appropriate to the setting and makes him look really odd.

Sorry but no it is not. If it was, the jury would be favourable to Heard as she is the defendant. In the USA, both sides can object to jurors. The process is intended to find a neutral jury. Reports from those who attended jury selection in this case say it appears to have succeeded.

Depp talked about his heavy drinking prior to splitting from Paradis and his drug use with Bettany on the first day of the UK trial. He also talked about both in this trial.

His entourage travelling with him procuring drugs on his behalf was covered in both trials.

His sister's intervention also came up in both trials.

I am not saying his testimony in this case is an exact match to that he gave in the UK case. It would be surprising if it was. But I do not see the contradictions that you see. On the above points, his testimony in the US case appears to be entirely consistent with his testimony in the UK case. The only point Heard's lawyers seem to have challenged regarding his UK evidence is his testimony over how drunk he was on the flight, where what he has said in the current trial is not consistent with what he said in the UK. His response was, in effect, that he had caved in under cross examination in the UK.

Impeachment, as a legal process, applies only to public officials. The other sense is about discrediting the evidence of a witness. His evidence may be impeached, but he will not be impeached personally, nor will he face the threat of impeachment.

I would be amazed if he apologises for his behaviour.

No you are quite wrong. It is Depp whose rep is at stake here. You don’t understand the system do you.

@prh47bridge his evidence prior to the first day of cross had limited weight to add to the case he alleges against Heard.
Even here his evidence, when queried, did not stack up referencing his father’s physical abuse toward him. Sadly It was more extreme than Depp stated.
Back again to this idea that Depp comports himself like a Southern Gentleman - allowing endless evidence to be introduced to the contrary of him calling Heard and Paradis sexually aggressive swear words or using sexualised slurs whilst describing his wife or ex.
I’ll smack the ugly c*nt around, I never want to lay eyes on that filthy whore
Amber. He also jokes about he rotting corpse and the well examined Bethany ‘jokes’
Then painting the substance misuse and monster - Depp’s story has materially changed in areas - now he is stating it as something Heard imagined and invented.
Things he agreed to in the U.K. court are now challenged or he disagrees with now. He seems to be saying although he had a lot of people buying drugs for him and he chased them on and on to do so, this does not prove he imbibed them. Simply I guess his position is that we can prove he illegally owned them and misused power over his staff to procure them repeatedly for him. But except for in messages where he references being severely impacted by drugs to the point of blackout and ‘angry injun’ we are to accept that Depp was hosting some form of worldwide drug museum. He cajoled, bullied, and requested people repeatedly get ecstasy and cocaine for him which he then paid for but didn’t ingest. Weird.

He was fed up with the Pirates of the Caribbean, as evidence by texts etc but they were potentially also unhappy with him. ( Which may have had to do with numerous things, time keeping being unable to learn lines, trouble in Australia but including their messy split and divorce ) It had been reported Depp was to be written out or have a much smaller role in Pirates 6 months before this piece by Heard in the Washington Post.

Depp will be fine no matter what - he has earned £116 million from 2016 to 2020
I do think he should never have brought this trial.
So many people did not know about a huge amount of evidence brought forward to the U.K. courts.
Ask most US citizens and I wouldn’t say they knew the U.K. judge found evidence of Depp being a repeated wife beater who put his wife Amber Heard in fear for her life on a number of occasions.
They will attempt to have that all brought before the court, jury and world again.

Even were Depp to win, and I’ve honestly seen no indication so far - he would still lose bigger that before. More people will read what he wrote, hear what he said - and it is over for him.

The saddest part is that Depp cannot “win” because he is his own worst enemy. All this dying and posturing is just to distract himself from confronting the horror of who he is, a monster.

The best thing he could do for himself and the world at large is to disappear and spend time only engaged in therapeutic endeavours. He is so deep in denial and self pity that it is act extraordinary that he hasn’t drowned.

I have nothing to say bout Amber Heard, she has not brought any of these actions other than being strong armed into counter suing.

Yes, I do understand the system. Obviously far better than you do.

Heard is the defendant. That is a fact. The case is about whether she libelled Depp. Yes, Depp wants to rescue his reputation, but that does not make him the defendant.

Jury selection in civil cases in the USA is designed to find a neutral jury, not one that is favourable to either side. That again is a fact. Potential jurors were questioned by both sides and the judge to ensure a neutral jury. Neither side had a veto over the composition of the jury. Any juror who displayed prior knowledge of the case or any form of preference for either side was excluded.

To correct my last sentence which is very poorly worded, I should have said that any juror who displayed prior knowledge of the case and appeared to favour either side was excluded.

A link to Nate the lawyer

Just to explain what each side needs to prove.

Nate the lawyer, a little biased there!

It's embarrassing how many people are standing up for these two. They're both vile and it makes a mockery of those who are much more vulnerable, stigmatised and genuinely at the mercy of their abuser.

Now been reported from court that a psych evaluation has concluded AH displays as having both Borderline Personality Disorder and Histrionic Personality Disorder.

I am still not pick 'a side' as they both clearly have issues, but I wondered what those defending only AH and completely against JD think of this? Does it change your opinion at all?

I thought the Dr gave a really strong testimony and definitely made sense about the way AH reacted especially how she was goading JD in the video's. Has there been a psychiatric report on JD? I think she definitely seems like she has BPD and it was not a good combination with JD mental heath and addiction. I think she ones across like she instigated alot of the arguments.

A psych evaluation? I am guessing this is by someone who has never met her 🙄
So about as reliable as a Mumsnet armchair psychologist.

And even if it was true, so what? It is JD whose behaviour is under the
micros. All those tactics designed to distract seem to be working on the clueless majority but they mean nothing in a court of law.

Its all smoke and mirrors on the part of JD’s team.

Nonsense. The woman who assessed her gave extensive info on her training, qualifications and experience. Why comment if you dont actually know?

So she’s never actually met Heard. Righto.

And I am diagnosing you as a fantastist.

You would be guessing wrong. She has examined Heard on two occasions. She also looked at Heard's previous psychological assessments (i.e. assessment carried out by psychologists who have examined Heard previously) and the results of a Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Inventory test. A lot more reliable (and a lot more qualified!) than a Mumsnet armchair psychologist.

You are also wrong that these things mean nothing in a court of law. They are highly significant. Heard is the defendant so her behaviour is under the microscope as well as Depp's. Depp is trying to prove that Heard abused him and invented her allegations that he abused her with the intention of damaging him. This assessment helps to show that she is the kind of person who would do as he alleges. That doesn't, of course, mean that he will win, but it certainly helps his case.

Says someone who's not even watched the testemony yet happy to form an opinion. Anti men brigade on mumsnet again because no women could possibly abuse a man!

Not sure how you extrapolated that from my post, that’s some online gymnastics for sure !

I speak as a seasoned court journalist. The ignorance in here is extraordinary yet unsurprising all at once.

Back to your fantasies.

Yet more proof that AH is an abusive shit bag with zero credibility and a list of mental issues longer than a Tesco receipt after a weekly shop.

At what point with the people defending her hold up their hands and admit what she is? I hope all this results in her getting the help she clearly needs.