Amber Heard - new accusations

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Amber Heard has now alleged Johnny Depp sexually assaulted her at the start of the defamation trial. Thoughts?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/johnny-depp-amber-heard-trial-court-updates-b2056201.html

Well about 30 mins ago in the US case they played a tape in which he admitted it was him damaging his own finger. He also admitted to head butting her. On tape. And then confirmed it was him under oath.

She has admitted hitting him as well and instigating arguments . That surely makes her a husband beater , so if it is about those words she is just as bad , so it’s not defending him by saying that . Her article is hypocritical.
As far as I know there is no criminal proven case against either of them which means we are listening to the words from two actors.

if there is a chance that lies are involved on both sides where do you draw the line about what you believe?

I'm trying to stay on the fence until I have heard everything but there have been occasions in his testimony where it has been evidenced that he has been on the end of behaviour that would certainly be classed as abuse.

I would also question who on earth buys their 'violent abuser' a personally engraved large bladed knife as a present!!

Well about 30 mins ago in the US case they played a tape in which he admitted it was him damaging his own finger.

The Audio has apparently been retracted by AH legal team as they admit it was not clear.

Am I imagining it, or have they also got another court case coming up ?

Just because there’s a video of him but not one of her doesn’t mean she wasn’t abusive...
yes I agree his messages were vile, it seemed to be a very toxic relationship.
why do so many people find it hard to believe that men can be victims of domestic abuse.
I’ve known woman who were very clever in the way that they’ve blamed men for abuse when in fact they were the master manipulators....
if he’s guilty then he should get what’s coming.... however no one will truly know what went on in that relationship other than them 2. personally I’m inclined to believe Johnny... whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty? I’m fully prepared to get flamed for this...
yes some men are absolute bastards, but some women are absolute bitches. We live in an era now where a woman makes an accusation and the men are painted guilty straight off the bat. We need to normalise believing men are victims too.
it isn’t alright for anyone to be abused, emotionally or physically. Not only that people in the spotlight have a lot more to lose as soon as any inkling of an accusation comes about wether it’s true or not.

Men can be victims.

2 women a week are killed by men they know, does that happen to men? Is there anything else in the dynamic of men and women that might make it a little unequal?

I wonder, why are you inclined to believe Johnny?

It’s pathetic his act in court as if we couldn’t see where it was going when he talked about the abuse his mother inflicted

my ex would hold be down an I would fight back once bruising him in the face. How he played the victim reminded me so much of JD the victim

if this goes against thin he will just keep on and on because JD can’t be seen as anything else but than the tortured troubled cool guy 🙄

I used to really like JD but in the bits I have seen he turns my stomach. This is all an act. I feel there was probably abuse on both sides but he is the one now pursuing this case trying to clear his name. I think his acting days are over no matter what the outcome is (although his court appearance seems to be an audition for something?)

The text message evidence goes back years! How is that possible? How far back can get messages go?

Just joining this thread because I wanted to express how this situation has rocked me a bit in the last few days.
I haven't really followed the case and don't know the details but, my social media is full of people calling Amber a liar and a manipulator.
I'm finding it difficult as my ex was popular and charismatic and people still wanted to be around him- even though they KNEW what he did.
I admit I was young and dramatic and often off my face but I don't think I ever caused him to feel fear. He overpowered me. He made me frightened a lot of the time.
It WAS complicated, it was mutually toxic but I didn't push or throw things, or smash things, or choke him. He did those things.
I've FB stalked him tonight and just wound up thinking...what does he remember? Would he take me to court?

With regard to Johnny saying that he injured his own finger after it happened - I’m interested that some people are taking this to mean that Amber cannot therefore have been guilty of causing this injury. And yet how often will female victims of domestic abuse go to a hospital and explain away injuries as being caused by something - anything - other than their partner’s fists? When Blake Lively was badly injured by her then-partner, there is evidence of her on a TV chat show telling a complex story about how she fell, and laughing at her own clumsiness. And yet when it came out finally that it was the result of having a phone thrown at her face, everyone believed her and understood why she might have wanted or felt she needed to lie about the cause at the time.

Isn’t there also audio of Amber admitting to hitting Depp? She says something along the lines of “I didn’t punch you, I hit you”?

I think they’re both abusive people. The testimony from various staff and ex staff does not paint her in a good light. She was screaming and ranting at people, shitting in the bed and supposedly hitting Depp and cutting his finger off. He may or may not have been hitting her back. Drug and alcoholic abuse on his part.

When he talks he reminds me a bit of Ozzy Osborne. Is he drugged up now or is it brain damage from alcoholism abuse? He talks so slowly and a bit slurred that I can’t imagine him acting again.

I believe there was abuse on both sides. Their relationship seems to have been completely toxic. I do wonder if for JD this isn't so much about proving he is innocent but showing the world how AH is also abusive.

I also know what domestic abuse looks like and I know that she is an abuser.

She abused him so badly that she drove him to self harm (as proven by the tape splayed in court), but him eh, he's a man so must deserve it?

I believe there was abuse on both sides. Their relationship seems to have been completely toxic. I do wonder if for JD this isn't so much about proving he is innocent but showing the world how AH is also abusive.

Yes, I think so too.
This is by no means a clear cut one and sided case and I think this will become more apparent when she takes the stand, especially under cross examination.

100% this. No past history of abuse by him, reports of police being called on her, but some people here steadfastly refuse to believe she could have done anything wrong. I wonder why? It's very clear that things went both ways with these two, and whether that's one lashing out because they were pushed too far (either of them) or whether it's because they just brought out the absolute worst in each other, we'll never know.

Some of the absolute tripe on here aimed solely at Depp is ridiculous.

Another difference between the UK and the US is the way evidence is presented. In a civil case in the UK, a witness gives a written statement. In court, the direct examination (i.e. questioning by the side that called them) is limited to confirming their identity and that these are their witness statements. Their time in court is almost entirely taken up with cross examination. In the US, the direct examination leads the witness through their testimony. This can mean that we hear far more of the witness's version of events.

In this case, this has resulted in us getting Depp's full version of the alleged head butt. In the UK, we only got a partial version when it was put to him in cross examination. According to Depp, Heard was attacking him - hitting and scratching him. He managed to get her in a bear hug in an attempt to stop the attack. this was not entirely successful as she resorted to kicking him. She then stopped, claiming he had head butted her and broken her nose. He was adamant that any contact was accidental and that her nose would not have been broken. According to Depp, Heard then left the room, returning several minutes later with a tissue up her nose which she showed him, telling him he had made her nose bleed. She then threw the tissue in the bin. He says that he later retrieved the tissue and found that the red substance on it was nail varnish, not blood.

This is, of course, Depp's version of events. I am not saying it is correct.

I have an abusive ex. He never hit me but he did slam his fist on furniture and smash things. I was always on edge, treading on eggshells. Innocuous comments would set him off. Anything he though was criticism would set him off. During arguments he would send me texts with the nastiest things he could think up to hurt me. After an argument he would send me reams of apologetic messages and try to love bomb me. I recognise a lot of JD’s behaviour as similar to my ex, and yes I would call my ex abusive even though he never hit me.
JD seems to think abuse is just physical assault. He prides himself on never having hit AH or any other woman.
That said, I have a feeling that AH deliberately provoked him in order to catch his behaviour on film. I also think she is incredibly toxic and possibly suffers from a personality disorder. I can see how JD may have been pushed and pushed until he snapped. It’s no excuse for his behaviour and his words.
My father has put up with my toxic mother for over 50 years. She is vile, often threatens to kill him, bad mouths him to anyone who will listen, has cheated on him, spends all his money....yet he has very rarely snapped, and still puts up with her vile behaviour to this day. If he ever did punch her I would be the first person to defend him. He has suffered no end of turmoil from her and I just wish he’d leave!

I’m so sorry @purplewolfie that happened to me in the U.K. trial. I hope you’re ok and be kind to yourself. These people have no idea what it’s really like.

Could anyone please point me in the direction of where I can find videos of the case? I have been following through a newspaper which has some short videos but is mainly text.

Weirdly I’ve been seeing a lot of the videos on Instagram. Weird because I don’t follow either of them or (as far as I’m aware) anyone relating to them really. I think it’s entertainment times or similar I keep seeing.

My tiktok is also full of videos. Again I don’t follow,either of them, don’t normal watch celeb videos so no idea why they started popping up.

How odd. Perhaps it’s because they are so highly viewed - I also see a lot of Kardashians and Euphoria posts and I’m not even vaguely interested in either of those TV shows or anything about them. Maybe to do with a lot of people looking them up or something.

'Hugging the cactus' a pro-Depp channel on Youtube is airing full days of testimony. Still there to catch up (playback speeded up is effective!). and will be airing live as and when. Chat in sidebar for the diehards.